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Homeland Security chief defends Real ID plan
CNET News.com ^ | 15 Dec 2006 | Anne Broache

Posted on 12/15/2006 11:13:52 AM PST by FLOutdoorsman

WASHINGTON--U.S. Department of Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff on Thursday defended forthcoming national ID cards as vital for security and consistent with privacy rights.

Chertoff said one of his agency's top goals next year is to forge ahead with recommendations for the controversial documents established by a federal law called the Real ID Act in May 2005. By 2008, Americans may be required to present such federally approved cards--which must be electronically readable--to travel on an airplane, open a bank account or take advantage of myriad government services such as Social Security.

"I think this is an example (of) when security and privacy go hand in hand," the Homeland Security chief said in a half-hour speech at George Washington University here. "It is a win-win for both."

The importance of such documents was magnified by an announcement Wednesday, Chertoff said. Federal authorities reported that they had made more than 1,200 arrests related to immigration violations and unmasked criminal organizations stealing and trafficking in genuine birth certificates and Social Security cards belonging to U.S. citizens.

"Do you think your privacy is better protected if someone can walk around with phony docs with your name and your Social Security number, or is your privacy better protected if you have the confidence that the identification relied upon is in fact reliable and uniquely tied to a single individual?" Chertoff asked rhetorically.

The upcoming federally approved IDs are intended to be a secure, tamperproof means of protecting Americans' identities while keeping out terrorists and other wrongdoers, Chertoff said.

The Homeland Security chief, who is nearing his two-year mark with the agency, was likely trying to quell rampant skepticism about the IDs voiced by some privacy advocates, immigrants and other groups. Some have said they fear that the IDs are a stepping stone to a veritable police state, complete with ready surveillance of individuals.

Some have argued that the idea of creating more tamperproof IDs is only a marginally better way to screen out those intent on committing terrorist acts because ID cards don't even begin to tackle a core crime prevention challenge: determining a person's unspoken intentions.

State governments have also been critical of the 2008 deadline and what they have said amounts to an unfunded mandate to switch over their systems. A September study released by the National Governors Association, National Conference of State Legislatures and American Association of Motor Vehicle Administrators estimated that the overhaul of their identification systems (PDF) would cost states more than $11 billion over five years. The New Hampshire state legislature even considered passing a law earlier this year that would prohibit the state from complying with the federal Real ID law.

Homeland Security has yet to issue congressionally mandated recommendations for the cards, so it's unclear how, exactly, they would work. The cards must contain, at a minimum, a person's name, birth date, gender, ID number, digital portrait, address, "physical security features" to prevent tampering or counterfeiting and a "common machine-readable technology" specified by Homeland Security.

A recent draft report by a DHS advisory committee(PDF) advised against using radio frequency identification technology, or RFID, in tracking humans because of privacy concerns.

The purpose of Chertoff's Thursday morning speech was to reflect on the agency's work during the past year and to outline goals for 2007. For the past year, he focused on three major areas: immigration and border security, Hurricane Katrina recovery and a foiled terrorism plot originating from London in August.

Conspicuously absent was any mention of the department's cybersecurity plans. After more than a year of delay, Chertoff hired Gregory Garcia, who had been working as a vice president at the Information Technology Association of America lobby group, as the department's first assistant secretary for cybersecurity. That step came after the department had sustained repeated bashing of its efforts in that realm from members of Congress.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: aliens; chertoff; dhs; homelandsecurity; immigrantlist; realid
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1 posted on 12/15/2006 11:13:55 AM PST by FLOutdoorsman
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2 posted on 12/15/2006 11:17:31 AM PST by gubamyster
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To: FLOutdoorsman

It shouldn't take too long for counterfeit ID cards to get into circulation. Oh wait, that will never happen because they will make it illegal to do so.

Maybe we'd be better off without the government completely.


3 posted on 12/15/2006 11:18:36 AM PST by MichiganConservative (The US is so full of domestic enemies, maybe all we can do is slow the inevitable ascent of tyranny.)
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To: FLOutdoorsman
"Do you think your privacy is better protected if someone can walk around with phony docs with your name and your Social Security number, or is your privacy better protected if you have the confidence that the identification relied upon is in fact reliable and uniquely tied to a single individual?" Chertoff asked rhetorically.

Well they have to keep changing the currency to defeat counterfeiter's so I have little faith in this bs.

4 posted on 12/15/2006 11:22:25 AM PST by beltfed308 (Democrats :Tough on Taxpayers, Soft on Terrorism)
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To: FLOutdoorsman

I think this is why they keep delaying or pushing back mandatory dates for the passports.


5 posted on 12/15/2006 11:22:39 AM PST by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: FLOutdoorsman
"common machine-readable technology"

This will probably turn out to be something ridiculous such as a device that broadcasts your social security number and credit history, but will be deemed "safe" because only government employees will have legal access to the readers.

6 posted on 12/15/2006 11:23:07 AM PST by MichiganConservative (The US is so full of domestic enemies, maybe all we can do is slow the inevitable ascent of tyranny.)
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To: FLOutdoorsman

Now how many SS numbers or identities were compromised courtesy of govt employees like the VA to name one?


7 posted on 12/15/2006 11:25:51 AM PST by beltfed308 (Democrats :Tough on Taxpayers, Soft on Terrorism)
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To: FLOutdoorsman
By 2008, Americans may be required to present such federally approved cards--which must be electronically readable--to travel on an airplane, open a bank account...

While Americans will need a "federally approved card" to open a bank account, all a foreigner will need is a matricula consular ID.

8 posted on 12/15/2006 11:26:41 AM PST by DumpsterDiver
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To: FLOutdoorsman

I guess the bright side is that we can all feel more human and have more value as human beings with a nifty new government-issue ID card. I know I would feel like half a man if I didn't have a soc. sec. number.


9 posted on 12/15/2006 11:28:32 AM PST by MichiganConservative (The US is so full of domestic enemies, maybe all we can do is slow the inevitable ascent of tyranny.)
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To: FLOutdoorsman

Let's call it what it is - an internal passport.


10 posted on 12/15/2006 11:28:56 AM PST by PAR35
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To: MichiganConservative

Yeah. This is someone's BIG IDEA of how to handle terrorists. It will become one more tool for the government to use to watch and regulate the actions of law-abiding citizens (for our own good of course). The jihadis and assorted criminal types will either counterfeit the things or bribe their way into possession of them.

Our government refuses to secure our borders. They refuse to profile for those most likely to attack us. They refuse to allow our troops to aggressively pursue the enemy. They refuse to fight the war all-out preferring instead to pussyfoot about with diplomacy, commissions and debate while hoping to "transform" a region that has never known peace or freedom into a peace-loving democracy.

We get the government we have earned. God help us. Our government certainly won't.


11 posted on 12/15/2006 11:29:45 AM PST by scory
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To: PAR35
Let's call it what it is - an internal passport.

But that just sounds so com/bloc. How about internal security citizen verifier?

12 posted on 12/15/2006 11:34:19 AM PST by beltfed308 (Democrats :Tough on Taxpayers, Soft on Terrorism)
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To: FLOutdoorsman
"Do you think your privacy is better protected if someone can walk around with phony docs with your name and your Social Security number, or is your privacy better protected if you have the confidence that the identification relied upon is in fact reliable and uniquely tied to a single individual?" Chertoff asked rhetorically.

Oh, the former, definitely. That's why I think ID numbers (such as SS numbers) and RFID documents are a very, very, very bad idea.

The upcoming federally approved IDs are intended to be a secure, tamperproof means of protecting Americans' identities while keeping out terrorists and other wrongdoers, Chertoff said.

...But will turn out to be laughably insecure, remotely scannable, trivially copiable and completely ineffective and detecting terrorists.
13 posted on 12/15/2006 11:35:08 AM PST by xenophiles
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To: FLOutdoorsman

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14 posted on 12/15/2006 11:36:42 AM PST by GOP Poet
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To: DumpsterDiver

And that still seems to be the problem with these bozos.


15 posted on 12/15/2006 11:38:59 AM PST by sheana
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To: beltfed308

IIRC, the recent ID theft (by illegals) story indicated that the social security administration does not cooperate with other govt agencies in their effort to detect duplicate "SSN to name" issues. That is, when ICE finds a SSN-name(1) relationship and wants to detect if the same SSN is being used with a different name (a SSN-name(2) relationship), the social security administration is of no help.


16 posted on 12/15/2006 11:43:25 AM PST by rit
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To: scory
We get the government we have earned. God help us...

Thank God we don't get all the government we PAY for!

Regards,
GtG

17 posted on 12/15/2006 11:51:16 AM PST by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: xenophiles
The upcoming federally approved IDs are intended to be a secure, tamperproof means of protecting Americans' identities while keeping out terrorists and other wrongdoers, Chertoff said.

...But will turn out to be laughably insecure, remotely scannable, trivially copiable and completely ineffective and detecting terrorists.

And will be nevertheless useful for controlling the masses of sheep at internal security checkpoints. And other plans in the works....


18 posted on 12/15/2006 12:07:04 PM PST by archy (I am General Tso. This is my Chief of Staff, Colonel Sanders....)
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To: FLOutdoorsman

The federal government has no constitutional authority to I.D. all of the several states' citizens. This is a pure power grab plain and simple and will inevitably lead to a police state.


19 posted on 12/15/2006 12:10:41 PM PST by streetpreacher (RUDY/ROMNEY 2008: Supporting Marriage between a man and a woman, then a woman, then a woman...)
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To: beltfed308

LOL. The fox is guarding the hen house.


20 posted on 12/15/2006 12:11:24 PM PST by streetpreacher (RUDY/ROMNEY 2008: Supporting Marriage between a man and a woman, then a woman, then a woman...)
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