Homeland Security chief defends Real ID plan

CNET News.com ^ | 15 Dec 2006 | Anne Broache

[gubamyster]

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[MichiganConservative]

It shouldn't take too long for counterfeit ID cards to get into circulation. Oh wait, that will never happen because they will make it illegal to do so.

Maybe we'd be better off without the government completely.

[beltfed308]

"Do you think your privacy is better protected if someone can walk around with phony docs with your name and your Social Security number, or is your privacy better protected if you have the confidence that the identification relied upon is in fact reliable and uniquely tied to a single individual?" Chertoff asked rhetorically.

Well they have to keep changing the currency to defeat counterfeiter's so I have little faith in this bs.

[ThisLittleLightofMine]

I think this is why they keep delaying or pushing back mandatory dates for the passports.

[MichiganConservative]

"common machine-readable technology"

This will probably turn out to be something ridiculous such as a device that broadcasts your social security number and credit history, but will be deemed "safe" because only government employees will have legal access to the readers.

[beltfed308]

Now how many SS numbers or identities were compromised courtesy of govt employees like the VA to name one?

[DumpsterDiver]

By 2008, Americans may be required to present such federally approved cards--which must be electronically readable--to travel on an airplane, open a bank account...

While Americans will need a "federally approved card" to open a bank account, all a foreigner will need is a matricula consular ID.

[MichiganConservative]

I guess the bright side is that we can all feel more human and have more value as human beings with a nifty new government-issue ID card. I know I would feel like half a man if I didn't have a soc. sec. number.

[PAR35]

Let's call it what it is - an internal passport.

[scory]

Yeah. This is someone's BIG IDEA of how to handle terrorists. It will become one more tool for the government to use to watch and regulate the actions of law-abiding citizens (for our own good of course). The jihadis and assorted criminal types will either counterfeit the things or bribe their way into possession of them.

Our government refuses to secure our borders. They refuse to profile for those most likely to attack us. They refuse to allow our troops to aggressively pursue the enemy. They refuse to fight the war all-out preferring instead to pussyfoot about with diplomacy, commissions and debate while hoping to "transform" a region that has never known peace or freedom into a peace-loving democracy.

We get the government we have earned. God help us. Our government certainly won't.

[beltfed308]

Let's call it what it is - an internal passport.

But that just sounds so com/bloc. How about internal security citizen verifier?

[xenophiles]

"Do you think your privacy is better protected if someone can walk around with phony docs with your name and your Social Security number, or is your privacy better protected if you have the confidence that the identification relied upon is in fact reliable and uniquely tied to a single individual?" Chertoff asked rhetorically.

Oh, the former, definitely. That's why I think ID numbers (such as SS numbers) and RFID documents are a very, very, very bad idea.

The upcoming federally approved IDs are intended to be a secure, tamperproof means of protecting Americans' identities while keeping out terrorists and other wrongdoers, Chertoff said.

...But will turn out to be laughably insecure, remotely scannable, trivially copiable and completely ineffective and detecting terrorists.

[GOP Poet]

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[sheana]

And that still seems to be the problem with these bozos.

[rit]

IIRC, the recent ID theft (by illegals) story indicated that the social security administration does not cooperate with other govt agencies in their effort to detect duplicate "SSN to name" issues. That is, when ICE finds a SSN-name(1) relationship and wants to detect if the same SSN is being used with a different name (a SSN-name(2) relationship), the social security administration is of no help.

[Gandalf_The_Gray]

We get the government we have earned. God help us...

Thank God we don't get all the government we PAY for!

Regards,
GtG

[archy]

The upcoming federally approved IDs are intended to be a secure, tamperproof means of protecting Americans' identities while keeping out terrorists and other wrongdoers, Chertoff said.

...But will turn out to be laughably insecure, remotely scannable, trivially copiable and completely ineffective and detecting terrorists.

And will be nevertheless useful for controlling the masses of sheep at internal security checkpoints. And other plans in the works....

[streetpreacher]

The federal government has no constitutional authority to I.D. all of the several states' citizens. This is a pure power grab plain and simple and will inevitably lead to a police state.

[streetpreacher]

LOL. The fox is guarding the hen house.