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To: Urbane_Guerilla

You have some rather pithy points about Islam, however none of them will actually win the battle with Islam, except for portions of #10. But telling them how rotten they are and that they will burn in hell, albeit true, just is not a way to persuade people. And moslems are indeed people, made in the image of God.

The first step in fighting Islam is done on our knees. Make no doubt this is a spiritual battle against powers, against principalities, against the spiritual forces in the dark places. Quite frankly, most Christians neglect this aspect and then wonder why we're not effective. To neglect prayer is analogous to going into battle without bullets and then wondering why the enemy isn't wounded. Duh!

Second, get training! Learn how to evangelize. Learn how to present the Gospel. Learn what a person has to do to be saved. Many Christians cannot give a concise conherent presentation of how to become a Christian. Most of us were taught how to introduce one person to another. Again, learn how to introduce someone to Jesus.

Third, actually evangelize. We have moslems in the US living and working. They're in our neighborhoods. Have you gone to visit them? Have you established a relationship with them? Are you seeking to convert your unsaved neighbor? My guess is no. I really think God has brought them to the US so we will evangelize them. We do a poor job of sending evangelists to them so God brings them to us. He actually loves those heathen! Can you believe it? Perhaps God doesn't know they lop off the heads of the good guys and don't deserve to go to heaven. He wants them to hear about Jesus. We should obey.


6 posted on 12/16/2006 1:25:15 PM PST by Jemian (PAM of JT ~~ If life were "fair", we'd all go to hell. I'm glad there is grace.)
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To: Jemian
You have some rather pithy points about Islam, however none of them will actually win the battle with Islam, except for portions of #10. But telling them how rotten they are and that they will burn in hell, albeit true, just is not a way to persuade people. And moslems are indeed people, made in the image of God.

I respectfully disagree. I do NOT advocate telling them how rotten they are, if you notice. Please re-read what I said.

Worshippers of mohammed are just human beings like the rest of us. They are not some form of super-human.

They are susceptible to logic and truth, just as any human being is. It just depends on how it is told.

They have never been told the truth about their religion. And they do not believe anyone has the courage to tell the truth, even if they suspect it.

Sorry, but pray all you want.

As for me, I think speaking the truth directly to the victims of the brainwashing will be more effective.

11 posted on 12/16/2006 2:03:53 PM PST by Urbane_Guerilla
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To: Jemian
The first step in fighting Islam is done on our knees. Make no doubt this is a spiritual battle against powers, against principalities, against the spiritual forces in the dark places.

Very well put and often overlooked. One of the easiest ways to help evangelize Muslims is to get a bible into their hands. Bibles Unbound is a excellent way to help in the struggle. They help you get bibles past official blockades in several counties that restrict access to them.

15 posted on 12/16/2006 2:11:22 PM PST by atomic_dog
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To: Jemian
"I really think God has brought them to the US so we will evangelize them."

Considering Saudi Arabia is financing the mosques, Muslim schools, hate-filled textbooks, clerics, and immigration fees and allowances for the Muslim immigrants, I am not inclined to credit God for bringing them here, nor do I envision the increase in Muslim immigrants under the current administration as boding well for us in the future. It's the exact same formula Saudi Arabia used in Lebanon to create Muslim uprisings against what was once a Christian majority. It's the same formula being practiced in Europe under the Venice Accord that assures Europe supplies of oil and natural gas so long as they allow the free immigration of Muslims into their nations.

Saudi Arabia is essentially colonizing our nation and creating very closed communities. It's very difficult to evangelize to people purposely kept separate from our society. It is even harder when the Saudi published textbooks the Muslim students use throughout their years of education teach that Christians are swine, Jews are apes, it is the purpose of every Muslim to commit themselves to Jihad, and to die a martyr is glorious.
19 posted on 12/16/2006 2:13:46 PM PST by backtothestreets (Invite Jesus to pray with you.)
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To: Jemian
Make no doubt this is a spiritual battle against powers...

Praise the Lord.... and Pass the ammo!!!

What God hasn't already done in His mighty wisdom, He often leaves up to His righteous flock here on earth.

53 posted on 12/16/2006 3:53:37 PM PST by Edit35
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To: Jemian
You are absolutely correct.

I work with a Palestinian Muslim fella, we trade ideas and theologies frequently. I must say, this guy is really lost.

One moment he will share how Islam is tolerant and loving, then on the other hand blast Christians and Jews as murderers, rapist and so forth. One comment was how Christians ripped babies from the wombs of their mothers in Kosovo.

Wonder where he learned this? Betcha from the imam at his local mosque.

Pray for them. Gently share the love of Jesus. Don't try to convince them your right, plant the seed of Christ in their lives and pray the Holy Spirit water the seed.

We have a Christian guy at work that gets into these verbal volleys of who's right and who's wrong. They both get all worked up and disjointed.
108 posted on 12/17/2006 6:38:55 AM PST by servantboy777
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To: Jemian
Please forgive my having to post such an uncharitable view of Islam on Sunday morning, but I didn't write the Koran, the hadith, ad nauseam. And this is Sunday morning.

Before I do the unavoidable deconstruction of a paragraph posted by you, it is time to point out that the thousand years of murder in the Islamic areas is best understood in terms such as these:
1. "The Arab understands best power and vengeance."
2. "The Arab is either at your throat or at your feet.
Better he be at your feet."

Googling Churchill's view of Islamic societies, found in his classic The River War, is most enlightening.

"Third, actually evangelize. We have Moslem's in the US living and working. They're in our neighborhoods. Have you gone to visit them? Have you established a relationship with them? Are you seeking to convert your unsaved neighbor? My guess is no. I really think God has brought them to the US so we will evangelize them. We do a poor job of sending evangelists to them so God brings them to us. He actually loves those heathen! Can you believe it? Perhaps God doesn't know they lop off the heads of the good guys and don't deserve to go to heaven. He wants them to hear about Jesus. We should obey.

Given the Muslin concepts of tarquayya and kitman (holy hypocrisy), anything a Muslim tells a non-Muslim is of most questionable reliability. Judeo-Christian cultures are virtually alone in demanding truthfulness of their believers.

When a Muslim is allowed, even required to lie to the unbeliever, American style conversation is impossible.

Muslims came to the USA because of a sloppy immigration policy. Surely you are not confusing G*g with ICE or The Swimmer?

Sending evangelists to Islamic areas results in the evangelists being beaten, imprisoned, tortured, being killed, or all of the above. What have your fellow Christians done to you that you would send them to such a certain fate?

As a Christian, one believes God to be omnipotent, omniscient and omnibenelovent. I wonder how you can postulate that G*d doesn't know about Muslim head lopping, and the rest of a long list assorted, sordid forbidden behaviors?

As I remember, Jesus walked the Middle East, his religious forebearers were at Sinai, which I believe was in the Middle East, and descendants of both branches of the Judeo-Christian faith were once numerous in the Middle East until they were killed off by Muslims.

Muslims know about Christians and Jews. They simply made a decision to devote their lives to killing them.

Evil does exist. Islam is evil. So are its believers.

We in the West will have to accept this, learn to live with it, and offer the Muslims a choice. That choice must be -Have a Muslim Reformation and adopt acceptable beliefs OR be killed.

Islam is antithetical to America and the entirity of Judeo-Christian cultures. Only a complete reformation of Islam will make it acceptable.

One last question for you - Given the centrality of holy hypocracy in Islam, can we afford to take their word for anything? If not, either the Islamic cultures or the Judeo-Christian cultures will be left after the religious war we are now in is finished.

I post this not to belittle what you posted, but to point out that we in American have many unjustified beliefs about Islam. Some beliefs are antithetical and can't be reconciled.
111 posted on 12/17/2006 6:44:05 AM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon Liberty, it is essential to examine principles, - -)
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