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statistics are so misleading. I never run into foreigners from out of state unless there being carefully shaperoned by experienced oregon guides. since Oregon mountain men are in the woods 100% of the time and foriegners are in the woods 2% of the time clearly an occasinal lost Mountain man will scew the statistics to make it look like city people are absolutly brilliant woodsman.

I figured out all by myself that more Oregonians than Californians live in OR.

However, the constant thread here is that no one who lives in the mountains or even in OR for that matter is so stupid as to make such a dumb mistake. It takes an idiot from CA.

Actually, if you look at the numbers, they are even more harsh that it appears on the surface.

Only 2% of the lost were from CA. 8% were from WA. Now WA has some pretty rough country and the WA residents should be every bit as wise as those from OR, although from this thread it does appear that is not really possible.

I guess if you really wanted to know what the statistics mean, you would have to have an exact count of how many visitors OR had from CA during 2005, how many of them went into the woods on camping, hiking or sight seeing trips, etc.

I have an idea, although I really know nothing about that area other than a very brief visit several years ago, that there are a lot of CA sportsmen that hunt and fish in OR and I expect there are a lot who do not get guides.

Do you have the numbers on how many CA residents hold non resident hunting and fishing licenses?

sorry Mr. woodbucther I don't need numbers. a Ca sportsman wood be, a cut above, a typical LA or sanfran nerd, even among nerds there skill sets do very. A Ca sportsman by definition has some skills and would have made fewer clear errors in judgment.

True story
I took this computer techno geek nerd from LA (spent his whole life indoors) for a hike one time beatiful day great over look of the sea and he said "is this like a movie?"