Posted on 12/18/2006 8:12:55 AM PST by SJackson
"Actually it is a split in information. Fruit fly abcdef has branched off into fruit fly abcd and abef without enough information to any longer reproduce with each other. In a sense it becomes a case of devolution, whereas, information is being reduced rather than added on."
"Often the word mutation is loosely applied. For evolution to take place new information would have to constantly be added to organisms bringing them from the very simple"
Go read up on the Theory of Evolution as you obviously don't understand what it is. Let me write it again for you:
In biology, evolution is the change in the heritable traits of a population over successive generations, as determined by changes in the allele frequencies of genes. Over time, this process can result in speciation, the development of new species from existing ones.
The fact that the fruit fly populations were no longer able to reproduce is called SPECIATION. That is evolution.
ANd I was just WAITING for someone to bring up Irreducible Complexity, an idea that has been thoroughly debunked time and time again, most recently at the Dover Trials.
(There weren't millions of species that needed to go on the ark.)
Well why is the earth now populated with millions of species?
Also, what about plant life? Did Noah collect seedlings for every plant species?
Also, what about plant life? Did Noah collect seedlings for every plant species?
Fish and insects didn't need to go on the ark. Also a lot of people think there are hundreds of species of things like dogs, they are wrong.
You had the right answer in #619, above.
Some folks can't accept the theory of evolution no matter what evidence there is.
Looking at you waiting to see which one of us busts out laughing first.. after this statement..
That appears to be the current church spin. the catholic.com web site says this:
[When Galileo met with the new pope, Urban VIII, in 1623, he received permission from his longtime friend to write a work on heliocentrism, but the new pontiff cautioned him not to advocate the new position, only to present arguments for and against it. When Galileo wrote the Dialogue on the Two World Systems, he used an argument the pope had offered, and placed it in the mouth of his character Simplicio. Galileo, perhaps inadvertently, made fun of the pope, a result that could only have disastrous consequences. Urban felt mocked and could not believe how his friend could disgrace him publicly. Galileo had mocked the very person he needed as a benefactor. He also alienated his long-time supporters, the Jesuits, with attacks on one of their astronomers. The result was the infamous trial, which is still heralded as the final separation of science and religion. ]
In other words, if Galileo had merely discussed the subject of heliocentrisim pro and con, he would have been fine. But since he dared to claim it as truth, the church retaliated.
When the church put Galileo in prison for teaching heliocentricity, they were taking a position on the matter. Internal church politics or who Galileo insulted because they refused to believe the truth is irrelevant.
My original point stands that people who interpret the Bible literally on scientific issues can risk their faith when they're confronted with contrary facts they cannot ignore. With regard to evolution, the phenomenon that humans have the ability to ignore obvious truths while they continue to hold their faith, makes me seriously doubt the validity of that faith. Were they attempt to witness their faith to me in order to save my soul, I would laugh at them because it is obvious that their judgment on matters of fact is seriously flawed.
"I'd like to think I'd get the same level of respect from them."
You certainly do from me. I don't care what you believe. I'm a Christian, but I don't have any wish to convert you - I support your right to do as you please.
(Fish and insects didn't need to go on the ark.)
Are you saying ants, grasshoppers, cockroaches etc etc can survive underwater?
And what about Freshwater Fish? How can they survive in saltwater?
As eggs.
And what about Freshwater Fish? How can they survive in saltwater?
Either as eggs or in water that is not normal ocean water. The water landing over land was fresh.
uh....
(As eggs.)
So how can grasshopper eggs, ant eggs, etc survive underwater? And what about spider eggs, etc etc. And it usually takes less than 40 days for insect eggs to hatch. So where did the larvae go once they hatched?
(And what about Freshwater Fish? How can they survive in saltwater?
Either as eggs or in water that is not normal ocean water. The water landing over land was fresh.)
A worldwide flood means saltwater and freshwater mixing. And I'd like to see you raise freshwater fish eggs in saltwater.
Furthermore, where did all this water come from? And how did the animals distribute themselves around the world? And how did they build a sustainable population with just one male and one female?
And what did the predators eat all the time they were on the Ark?
"You certainly do from me. I don't care what you believe. I'm a Christian, but I don't have any wish to convert you - I support your right to do as you please."
Nice to hear. Similarly, I have no particular interest in dissuading anyone away from their religious beliefs. In fact, I sometimes envy those who have faith in a higher power, as it is clearly a source of comfort and support to them. But I can't make myself believe in that which I don't believe, even if it would benefit me.
I, likewise, disagree.
I feel that GOD is OMNI-everything, so HE knew (knows) what is in the future.
Future for us humans, anyway.
I think the fact that HE knows what WILL happen leads some to believe that HE MAKES it happen; thus we descend into the Calvin vs Armenian 'discussion' and never get anywhere ;^)
I now have four gold ones!
I'm sure dentists have invented hard candy!
LOL!!
As soon as I get hit, I'll buy a Lottery ticket!
THIS is an LDS teaching. (It ain't found in the BoM, either!)
There is a big difference between 'evidence' and the interpretation of it.
(Ya get more grants this way ;^)
Then why are there so MANY of them?
Maybe FF abcd thinks that the FF abef are just plain...
Rush said this about pandas yesterday.
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