Posted on 12/22/2006 4:33:05 AM PST by SJackson
Having a politically correct Gestapo running around telling us what we cannot say is no different than giving in to the enemy...
If "Allah" is omnipotent, then Mecca would be impervious to attack...
out = our
sorry . . .
Yes. And it has been discussed on this forum many, many times.
I am at work and can't engage much. I'll ping my sweetie who is well able to lay out the moral facts. Of course, lots (most?) folks, including many Freepers are not interested in such. But, imo, "Kill 'em all and let God sort them out" is not a tactic a Christian can ever support.
When exactly did 'islamic' become a race?
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Islamists are NOT non-combatants. They are commanded by their 'god' to fight us to the point of death, conversion or enslavement.
We can quibble about definitions. Deliberate targeting of non combatants is a war crime. Even if it can be "justified" and rationalized until the cows come home, it is still and always be a war crime.
Now, you can throw out all the rules and conventions (as our enemy has) if you wish to assume moral equivalency with them. I hope that never happens.
I got to agree with you.
The vast majority of Muslims are sheep.
The Koran is a book that is simply full of contradictions.
And Islam is a decentralized religion.
Thus any self-promoting Muslim can get on a soapbox and instantly gain many followers by claiming his way is the way of the Koran. Thus no one can oppose this self-promoting Muslim, otherwise he will claim that you are violating the Koran. And the sheep follow the self-promoters without any questions.
However, the sheep go to Mecca on their own. And the genocide associated with eliminating 0.1% of the Muslim sheep by nuking Mecca will simply bolster the ranks of the militant groups.
Unlike the show of resolve at Hiroshima that saved millions of lives, a Mecca nuke would simply be vindictive.
This just might be the last relatively peaceful Hajj to occur. I expect a year from now, you will have the Shia and the Sunni factions of Islam firmly at each other's throats, and Saudi Arabia is going to feel the full force of that. If we withdraw to just outside of Iraq, we can start this process happening there, just as it's happening in Gaza and Lebanon.
If the result is dead muzzies at each others' hands, how can that be wrong for us in the long run?
What I seriously wonder is what mohamedans would believe if the kaaba and it's surrounding mosque ceased to exist.
When I was growing up, the Episcopal Church we attended used to invite one of the few Jewish families in town to come and have a seder right in the church.
We lived in a small town in a rural area of southern culture and it never occurred to me this was anything unusual or special until many years later. The family in question had 3 daughters about my age and other than that one night they were just regular kids like us (except the one in my class was a pretty good track & field athlete if memory serves). But that one night they were like a wondrous doorway to 3200 years of history.
I wish someone would invite me! I believe in the Passover and would love to attend a seder. Alas...I don't know anyone that's Jewish.
I *did*, however, participate in a Hanukkah celebration once. Many years ago, when I was working as nurse in a head trauma (long term) rehab center, I took care of a Jewish lady. I came in and found a small...I guess you would call it a "kit", with everything you needed to celebrate the lighting of the lights, including a card with what you were supposed to say each evening. So I set it all up and every evening I would light the appropriate candle (she helped with instructions) and read the section on the card for that evening. By the end of those days, all the patients in the place and most of the staff would join us and observe.
I don't know if it was valid...but it's one of my most fondest memories as a nurse. The facility was all windows on the east and west sides and we would light those candles as the sun sank behind the horizon. I'll never forget it.
Hajj:
Gathering point for murders, that's all.
Your response was coined by a Catholic Bishop, IIRC during a crusade against European heretics.
In fact, targeting civilians itself is not genocide but a time honored means of sapping the other guy's will and ability to fight.
It was suppressed in western warfare for some time while set piece battles determined results.
It was stunningly brought home by Sherman, I don't remember any tales from WWI (more set piece/stalemate battles) and returned, perhaps by accident, in WWII.
However, genocide has so much greater meaning that it is almost sinful to allege that they are the same.
Genocide relates to an entire people (European Jewry, Rwandan Tutsi...). 'Targeting civilians' relates to local populations, generally believed to have strategic value to the enemy (Tokyo, Berlin, London..).
.Even 'ethnic cleansing' falls short unless you want to consider it to be a regional genocide (Serbs, Gypsies, Hmong...).
That said, aside from collateral damage such as the apartment block Hezbollah selected for its rocket launchers, civilians should not be targeted on the core western belief that they are not participants themselves. (which explains the Geneva rules we are ignoring today - if you ain't in a uniform and take up arms against me, you're fair game and NO protections apply.)
There's also the simple reality that, if it does not terrify them into abject surrender (dhimmitude), it can really piss-off the civilians and seriously complicate things if you manage to best their army.
Yep! Kinda like that!
I don't know where it came from...maybe her family left it there or someone from a local synagogue? I don't know.
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“We live in a wondrous time in which the strong is weak because of his moral scruples and the weak grows strong because of his audacity.”
Otto von Bismarck
you don't understand Islam. Live in Saudi Arabia for some time, not in the expat enclaves, but outside and you will see.
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