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Happy Hajj! You’re Not Invited!--treatment of non-believers by the 3 great monotheistic religions
FrontPageMagazine.com ^ | December 22, 2006 | Patrick Poole

Posted on 12/22/2006 4:33:05 AM PST by SJackson

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To: Tolsti; Mrs. Don-o
Then you and 'Mrs Don-O' disagree with our strategic nuclear attacks on Japenese cities in general?

Speaking for myself - Yes. I cannot support the targeting of civilian populations to achieve a strategic advantage. I agree with Harry Truman that our targets needed to be military.

She seemed to be going on some moralist adventure that says 'god hates killing!'.

Seemed? I do not read that at all. Example?

Can you say that our attacks on strategic targets in the past were proper?

Depends on the target in the past. I believe that throwing nukes at Mecca/Medina during their pilgrimages would be a war crime.

If not, will you stfu and just announce yourselves as US haters?

No and no.

101 posted on 12/23/2006 3:54:29 PM PST by don-o (Proudly posting without reading the thread since 1998. (stolen from one cool dude))
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To: don-o

So, Truman was against his own nuclear attack on cities that he ordered?

You are against the nuclear attacks on Japanese cities as a warcrime, therefore, yet again, you declare the USA as a war criminal state.

You seem to be really really in defense of islamic strategic targets. A virtual enemy position in this war.


102 posted on 12/23/2006 5:06:55 PM PST by Tolsti
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To: SJackson
What I don't understand is why these idiots risk their lives visiting this "Black Cube" built over a meteorite?

Of course I prefer them dying, trampling themselves to death, in the sands of Saudi Arabia, instead of flying planes into buildings.

Now that I think of it ... every infidel should should be encouraging all mohammmedans to get to mecca this year. We should be contributing big, big $$$ to get them there.
103 posted on 12/23/2006 5:44:09 PM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: Tolsti
I have read the posts between you and 'Mrs Don-O' and I believe you are winning.

I believe she loves and supports our troops ... but she is just a bit misguided in their objective when it comes to WAR. The objective is to Kill the enemy! Kill them first before they Kill you! Kill them before they Kill your mother, father, wife, daughter, son ... before they even have an opportunity!

The enemy in WWII was Japan, in the Asian Theater. The Japanese believed their Emperor was God. They were going to die for their god! The whole population would have needed to be destroyed. If two atomic bombs were not dropped on two of their cities, destroying them including civilians and the war supporting infrastructure they lived around, I and many other Baby Boomers may not exist today. I am so glad I am here and my father survived WWII and Korea to create a family.
104 posted on 12/23/2006 6:38:54 PM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: Elsie
"Nothing else will work?" Did I say that?

Post #47: Elsie - "Let's just give up then!"

"Invading Iran and Syria won't work?" About as well as it did in Iraq, I guess.

Sigh. Another Freeper is lost to the NYT and the AP.

105 posted on 12/23/2006 6:40:34 PM PST by kidd
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To: Red_Devil 232

"he objective is to Kill the enemy! Kill them first before they Kill you! Kill them before they Kill your mother, father, wife, daughter, son ... before they even have an opportunity!"

Remember what Toynbee said about civilizations and what kills them....


106 posted on 12/23/2006 8:11:30 PM PST by EnochPowellWasRight
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To: Tinman
My friend, as long as the American people and any administration are concerned with what the rest of the world thinks of us, as a country and a people, we will never again release the full might, of the US military, against any foe.

Sad, ain't it.

Personally, I say we should do whatever we need to do to ensure our own safety and freedom

You and me both. On the upside we'd only have to do it once every 3 or 4 centuries. The survivors would be too frightened to come out of their rat holes for anything but scavenging for food.

On the downside.....wait....there is no downside.

Unfortunately, it will never happen

Never is a very long time my friend.

I wish you a very Merry Christmas and a happy and prosperous New Year. You keep your head and your a** wired together tight over there.

Come back safe.

Regards,

L

107 posted on 12/23/2006 10:46:54 PM PST by Lurker (History's most dangerous force is government and the crime syndicates that grow with it.)
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To: EnochPowellWasRight
"Remember what Toynbee said about civilizations and what kills them.... " "Civilizations die from suicide, not murder."
108 posted on 12/24/2006 3:22:47 AM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
You're right. Unofrtunately there are those here on FR that have succumbed to unthinking PCism, like lemmings running over a cliff. Since when did patriots run from the sound of Truth?
109 posted on 12/24/2006 4:09:52 AM PST by semaj
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To: don-o
Deliberate targeting of non combatants is a war crime.

War crime or genocide? Last time I checked there is stil a people called the Japanese who flourish even today. Genocide is conducted in an attempt to wipe out a people because of race or ethnicity. The US acted accrodingly in order to shorten a war and to ultimately save lives. Your argument that the US committed war crimes by bombing civilians during WWII is quite a stretch.

110 posted on 12/24/2006 4:16:47 AM PST by semaj
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To: semaj
...argument that the US committed war crimes by bombing civilians during WWII is quite a stretch.

The peacenick "war crimes" racket is a stretching of our collective weenies...

And , "international law" - - THERE IS NO SUCH THING! There isn't anyone who would enforce it... we saw that already...

111 posted on 12/24/2006 4:48:31 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: semaj
...argument that the US committed war crimes by bombing civilians during WWII is quite a stretch.

The peacenick "war crimes" racket is a stretching of our collective weenies...

And , "international law" - - THERE IS NO SUCH THING! There isn't anyone who would enforce it... we saw that already...

112 posted on 12/24/2006 4:48:39 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Red_Devil 232

" "Civilizations die from suicide, not murder."

Yep.


113 posted on 12/24/2006 7:32:27 AM PST by EnochPowellWasRight
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To: Lurker
And a VERY Merry Christmas to you and yours, L. 8-)

It's already Christmas Eve here. We're hoping for a "silent" night, if you catch my drift. It's a little hard to do the "peace on earth, good will to all men" thing under these circumstances.

That's the whole point, I guess, all the westerners/Christians were told to "respect" the traditions, of Islam, during Ramadan (basically the entire month of October) as to not "offend" anyone, here in Iraq, Kuwait, UAE, etc..

Is one of our holiest days respected in any way? Nope, the bad guys have every intention of "punishing" us for our beliefs. And even people we're protecting and/or trying to help will not condemn these animals.

That says it all, IMO.

Anyway, enjoy the Holidays, keep those who are most important to you close, and safe.

I'll be in touch.

Regards

114 posted on 12/24/2006 7:58:57 AM PST by Tinman (Yankee by birth, Texan by Choice..."Support the Troops" shouldn't be just a bumper sticker)
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To: Tolsti; don-o
So, Truman was against his own nuclear attack on cities that he ordered?

The don-o's have shown evidence that Truman thought the nuclear strikes were to be on purely military targets in earlier posts. I'm not sure of the validity, haven't had the time to check.

115 posted on 12/24/2006 8:55:50 PM PST by houeto (Jacob's enemy is the revitalized end-time beast!)
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To: kidd; Elsie
Sigh. Another Freeper is lost to the NYT and the AP.

To say that to Elsie is like saying that islam is not the problem, IMO. Saddam Hussein was not responsible for the world's terrorists. Islam is.

116 posted on 12/24/2006 9:06:36 PM PST by houeto (Jacob's enemy is the revitalized end-time beast!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
I agree with what you say about "shouting from the rooftops... educating the ignorant masses about the nature of their 'pedophile prophet' and his evil god."

Thank you.

I also agree that "if they freely choose to adhere to the commands of this demonic duo then they, unequivocally, are to be considered enemy combatants, both here and abroad"

Thank you.

if by "adhere to the commands," you mean, engage in violent jihad or the support of jihad (e.g. the fake Muslim "charities" used to bankroll Hezbollah etc.)

I do. (not only that, but also muslim mothers raising their babies to be martyrs/terrorists?)

That's already defined as treason in the U.S. Constitution, and ought to be seriously enforced.

It sure ought to be but the PC crowd, including our President, is not willing to honestly address the problem, YET.

For that matter, I think all financial transfers from the US to Islamic lands, and from the US to Mexico, should be halted until the jihad and the invasion stop.

Agree.

But you won't find a majority even of FReepers supporting that.

Disagree. (and not just with FReepers but with all Americans, same as with the borders)

Which is why all this bellicose talk is just hot air.

Mine ain't "bellicose talk". Sure hope your's ain't either.

Because practically nobody (within our 'REPRESENTATIVE form of government') seriously proposes that we stop the infusion of billions of OUR DOLLARS into the war-chests of our enemies.

Sorry, but I just HAD to add in the stuff in parenthesis!

You and I are on the same page. The only difference that I can see is that I just happen to be a few pages ahead in how much EXTREME PREJUDICE will have to be given to these people.

It is absolutely horrible but is described in The Book of Ezekiel and Revelations as well as several other cites int The Bible.

Merry Christmas To All!..."and to all a Good Night"

117 posted on 12/24/2006 9:58:12 PM PST by houeto (Jacob's enemy is the revitalized end-time beast!)
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