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To: Lurker
There are no civilians. Once again, you haven't educated yourself on the mindset of the enemy

You have a point in the sense that that jihadis want their war to be the uprising of the whole people, including pregnant women strapping on explosives, and 12-year-olds setting up IED's. And of course, they can put together a pageful of their perverted scriptures in support of this filthy vision.

However, not all Muslims go along with this. You yourself know that a substantial majority of those killed, injured, made homeless and forced into exile over the past 20 years by Muslim jihad groups, have been other Muslims. Sectarian violence and ethnic/regional mayhem seem to account for the lion's share of violent deaths.

With nobody wearing uniforms, following a flag, following a recognized command structure, or representing a state or government. it is exceedingly difficult to sort out who is a combatant and who isn't. Most of the combatants are technically civilians; and they'll use anybody--- street-sweepers, beggars, schoolgirls, babies -- as human shields.

In such situations, you can't expect our troops to be clairvoyant or exercise infallible judgment as to targets. It's inevitable that as they target the thugs, there'll be a lot of collateral deaths. OK. But they still have to target the thugs.

For that reason, it's still important to rule out notions like "Let's drop a Big One on Mecca at the height of the Hajj." That's not war: that's butchery. It puts you on the same moral level as Mohamed Atta al-Sayed.

58 posted on 12/22/2006 5:15:48 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Justice and judgment are the foundation of His throne.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
For that reason, it's still important to rule out notions like "Let's drop a Big One on Mecca at the height of the Hajj."

Target rich environment big time...


With nobody wearing uniforms, following a flag, following a recognized command structure, or representing a state or government.

The flag is the crescent, the uniform for the slaves is the habib...

61 posted on 12/22/2006 5:34:52 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
You have a point in the sense that that jihadis want their war to be the uprising of the whole people, including pregnant women strapping on explosives, and 12-year-olds setting up IED's.

Seems to me their wishes have been granted.

And of course, they can put together a pageful of their perverted scriptures in support of this filthy vision.

I'm not certain you really understand just how fervently they believe in that book. And it's not just a pageful. It's their entire book. Read it. I have.

However, not all Muslims go along with this

True but not relevant. Enough of them do. Not every Japanese was a true Shinto believer and not every German was a Nazi.

You yourself know that a substantial majority of those killed, injured, made homeless and forced into exile over the past 20 years by Muslim jihad groups, have been other Muslims.

Yea, yea ,yea. Hitler killed lots of Germans, Mao murdered millions of Chinese, Pol Pot killed millions of Cambodians....yada yada yada. It sucks to be them.

Sectarian violence and ethnic/regional mayhem seem to account for the lion's share of violent deaths.

Wrong. They kill each other because their god tells them to kill anyone who doesn't believe exactly like they do.

With nobody wearing uniforms, following a flag, following a recognized command structure, or representing a state or government. it is exceedingly difficult to sort out who is a combatant and who isn't

Here you're partially correct. They don't follow a flag, they follow a murderous madman. That fact relieves us both legally and morally from having to distinguish among them.

In such situations, you can't expect our troops to be clairvoyant or exercise infallible judgment as to targets

Correct. I expect them to do whatever it takes to come home alive. Better to err on the side of caution. Or, as my Platoon Sgt told me "When in doubt, empty the magazine."

But they still have to target the thugs.

Pick a spot. There'll be thugs.

For that reason, it's still important to rule out notions like "Let's drop a Big One on Mecca at the height of the Hajj."

Why? There'll be tens of thousands of thugs all in one spot.

It puts you on the same moral level as Mohamed Atta al-Sayed.

Here's your most serious logical mistake. You see al-Sayed won't stop killing until every one who doesn't believe exactly like him is dead. He won't stop killing until every single Jew, Christian, Buddhist, Zorastoran, B'Hai, etc on the planet is either 'converted' or dead.

I have no such desire.

I merely want the most deadly threat to human freedom since Nazism ruled nations eliminated utterly. Oh I'd let the odd goat herder slam his head into a mat 5 times a day towards a radioactive crater in Saudi Arabia if he so desired. That's 'religious freedom'.

What I wouldn't allow is literally tens of millions of them running modern nation-states using the collective lunatic ravings of a syphilitic pedophile as a system of government.

Sadly there's only one way to remove those 'people' from positions of power and to disabuse the benighted followers of mohamed of the notion that somehow they're going to rule the entire world.

That's by utterly destroying their holy places and their 'governments'. It's both logically correct and utterly moral.

After all, moral people don't let mad dogs wander their streets.

L

62 posted on 12/22/2006 10:28:27 PM PST by Lurker (History's most dangerous force is government and the crime syndicates that grow with it.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
However, not all Muslims go along with this.

Then they need to clean their OWN house!

Or that collateral damage is gonna be great one day.

83 posted on 12/23/2006 11:52:46 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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