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Why Iraq is a success: Kevin McCullough presents skyrocketing economic stats
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | 12/22/06 | Kevin McCullough

Posted on 12/23/2006 1:35:14 AM PST by JohnHuang2

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To: gusopol3
I wouldn't make this guy's argument to a critic of the war because it's not convincing. Period. Besides , if the cell phones that work so well are enabling the insurgents to communicate and blow up our troops, take the cell phone towers down.

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You sir, are a critic of the war and obviously have no stomach for the fight. Cell phones are universal. All citizens can communicate with them. Take down the towers because the enemy might talk to each other. Sir if the enemy coordinates movements using a cell phone, that means any of our military wishing to listen to their conversations can do so. They are public conversations. Do you think we would coordinate our troop movements with a cell phone during an actual armed conflict? We could coordinate our movements in the newspaper because the enemy is powerless to stop us. We go where we want whenever we want. By the way, we had one major attack on US soil and the stock market collapsed 20% in two days. If Iraq is a quagmire there would be no way they could get the growth figures that have been achieved thus far. Take off your doom colored glasses and grow a penis while your at it. Support this war,because its been a success, and is necessary for the defense of this nation.
41 posted on 12/24/2006 6:50:45 AM PST by photodawg
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To: photodawg

if you're going to make an argument for anything, make it a good one and please leave the garbage out of your posts. If the economy is going so well there, why are there several posts today talking about President Bush considering the ISG's suggestion that there be an infusion of capital for a massive jobs program in Iraq? A good economy could be left bt itself to grow jobs. I would guess prior to 1990, Iraqis did without cell phones; let them do without them, again, if the insurgents use them to communicate the progression of our troops on patrol to hit them with IEDS. If that makes me a critic of the war, or you feel that I have the idea that Iraq is a quagmire, you're entitled to your judgement. In the meantime, Merry Christmas to you and your family.


42 posted on 12/24/2006 9:58:55 AM PST by gusopol3
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To: gusopol3
If the economy is going so well there, why are there several posts today talking about President Bush considering the ISG's suggestion that there be an infusion of capital for a massive jobs program in Iraq?
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If Iraq was in civil war mode, or one step away, it would be irrelevant to be trying to establish a jobs program now wouldn't it. A jobs program implies a functioning government, economy and infrastructure. Merry Christmas to you and yours also, and a prosperous and successful new year.
43 posted on 12/24/2006 10:30:04 AM PST by photodawg
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To: photodawg

I agree with you, there is not a civil war, and I am hopeful one will not occur. I believe this in spite of what the media tell us, because I have heard Iraqi after Iraqi say the same thing, that there will be no civil war, they fear a civil war,etc. I am also hopeful, that, though they don't admit it, the AP and their ilk have been shamed into providing some coverage other than regurgitated propaganda by the exposure of the Jamil Hussein fraud. I am hopeful for greater success in Iraq in the new year than any of us coukd even imagine today. I do not believe our enemies there have either inexhaustible will or resources and that continued pressure will cause their collapse. Who could have predicted at the beginnig of 1989 what the end of the year would bring?


44 posted on 12/24/2006 10:40:57 AM PST by gusopol3
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To: gusopol3
Who could have predicted at the beginnig of 1989 what the end of the year would bring?
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Iran declared war on the United States in 1979. We chose to ignore it. We continue to ignore it to this day. We are a nation of house cats in a world of back alleys. We want to monopolize people's resources and then buy their love and respect. The reality is that we are free market capitalists that will enrich those who wish to play that game. We must be confident of our right to compete with other nations for goods and services. Our way is the right way. The socialists and pacifists among us must not be allowed to pervert American democracy to some socialistic love fest. Most of all we must be willling to defend our right to go anywhere in the world and trade with any nation on a equal basis in freedom. Our military must make this clear forcefully to our enemies, or we will succumb to tyranny.
45 posted on 12/24/2006 10:55:44 AM PST by photodawg
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To: JohnHuang2; gusopol3; varon
Kevin McCullough begins his editorial titled "Why Iraq is a Success" with the following sentence:

The nation and economy known as the new Iraq is succeeding, and those who dispute this are simply lying.

In calling anyone who disagrees a liar, one would think that McCullough would be very careful to avoid making any errors and being likewise branded a liar. Amazingly, however, his editorial is chock full of errors or, if you prefer, lies. For example, the seventh paragraph states:

While we in the U.S. are thrilled to hear about GDP (gross domestic product) growth coming in at around 4 percent (so much so that it begins to bring down our national debt faster than expected), imagine enjoying Iraq's GDP growth of 13 percent in 2006 – which followed a record year in 2005 of 17 percent.

Of course, anyone who knows anything about our national debt knows that it is going UP, not coming down "faster than expected". The following table shows the total (gross) federal debt and the debt held by the public since 1997:

           TOTAL FEDERAL DEBT (billions of dollars)

                                 Intra-
  Fiscal   Debt Held              Gov't              Total
 Year End  by Public   Change  Holdings   Change      Debt   Change
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 9/29/2006    4843.1    241.9    3663.9    332.4    8507.0    574.3
 9/30/2005    4601.2    293.9    3331.5    259.8    7932.7    553.7
 9/30/2004    4307.3    383.3    3071.7    212.6    7379.1    595.8
 9/30/2003    3924.1    370.9    2859.1    184.1    6783.2    555.0
 9/30/2002    3553.2    213.9    2675.1    206.9    6228.2    420.8
 9/28/2001    3339.3    -66.0    2468.2    199.3    5807.5    133.3
 9/28/2000    3405.3   -230.8    2268.9    248.7    5674.2     17.9
 9/30/1999    3636.1    -97.8    2020.2    227.8    5656.3    130.1
 9/30/1998    3733.9    -55.8    1792.3    168.9    5526.2    113.0
 9/30/1997    3789.7             1623.5             5413.1

Source: U.S. Department of the Treasury, Bureau of the Public Debt,
        online at http://www.publicdebt.treas.gov/opd/opdpdodt.htm

As can be seen, the total debt has been increasing by over a half trillion dollars a year for the past 4 years. This includes the monies being borrowed from Social Security and other trust funds. Even the debt held by the public (which excludes the trust fund borrowing) has been increasing for the past five years. McCullough would likely claim to have been talking about the DEFICIT rather than the DEBT. But, by the standard he set in his first sentence, he is a liar.

McCullough states that U.S. GDP growth is coming in at about 4 percent. According to a 12/21/06 BEA news release, however, real GDP increased at just 2.0 percent in the last quarter. McCullough appears to be talking about the current-dollar (uncorrected for inflation) growth of 3.8 percent. It's possible that the 13 percent growth in Iraq's GDP is likewise not corrected for inflation. This is significant in that an article on the Online NewsHour website states the following:

The IMF reports insurgent violence is responsible for much of the markup on consumer products as well, and predicts Iraq's year-end inflation will sit near the same rate it's been since 2004, 30 percent.

In addition, the article states the following:

Following the Persian Gulf War oil export sanctions crippled the country's social programs. Even after the United Nations negotiated the 1996 oil-for-food program to allow limited exports in exchange for food and medicine -- and after the export caps were ultimately removed in 1999 -- the country was unable to achieve pre-1990 oil production levels.

That blow has been felt throughout the economy. Per capita income also has yet to recover. The International Monetary Fund estimated a 2006 GDP per capita of $1,687, less than half its early 80s $3,600 peak.

Hence, per capita GDP is less than half the level it was at in the early 80s. Much of this drop was due to the economic sanctions. It's therefore not surprising that the GDP is rebounding now that those sanctions have been removed and the U.S. is spending reconstruction money to rebuild the infrastructure.

When and if the problems that the Online NewsHour article lists (such as security, unemployment, corruption, and inflation) are addressed, there's little doubt that the economy will do better than it did under a dictator. But Iraq has not yet solved those problems adequately to be called a success and those who suggest otherwise, as McCullough would say, "are simply lying".

46 posted on 12/30/2006 1:13:04 AM PST by remember
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To: remember

BTTT


47 posted on 12/30/2006 7:10:19 AM PST by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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