What's the problem? 
Posted on 01/01/2007 8:04:50 AM PST by WatchingInAmazement
With democrat control, don't hold your breath. It has to be done within 60 days, so even if we have a strong showing and restore republican control, I don't know if they can reverse it. This sucks.
We were talking about this here on FR quite a while back and we got the usual "tin-foil-hat" comments from the big government defenders.
1. The numbers of people are relatively small. If 10,000 (number guessed but you get the idea) Swedish citizens work in America and can get credit for the their US Social Security taxes, it will be no great burden on the US.
2. If the numbers of people going each way are similar. If the above mentioned 10,000 Swedes are matched with 8,000 Americans working in Sweden, then totalization will have little or no net effect.
3. If the per capita economies and benefits of both countries are similar, then there is no great incentive to leave your native country to milk the system in another country.
Mexico fails on all three. There are millions of Mexicans working in the US (not a small number as required in point 1), there are probably only thousands of Americans working in Mexico (which is a lot less than millions, thus point 2 also fails), and the US economy and SS benefits are much greater than ones in Mexico (thus point 3 fails).
Totalization with the other countries generally provides benefits to their citizens at little to no additional costs. This would not be true with Mexico.
I am becoming increasingly cynical about our government. Republicans and Rats alike. This is just unbelievable!
"What's important here is not so much the nuts and bolts of this agreement, but the secrecy with which is has been kept from public review."
It long ago got to the point where the government had to be forced to do the right thing. Their biggest defense is not talking or admitting to anything.
What's the problem?
The Totalization Agreement could allow millions of illegal Mexican workers to draw billions of dollars from the U.S. Social Security Trust Fund.
If this is accurate, it is just unbelievable.
Because it's not signed and never will be and can be overturned if it were. It's nothing but a Mexican dream.
Please. I was on that thread, where a healthy dose of scepticism was being administered to the claim that this will pass without congressional review. Imagine how shocked I am to discover that this is subject to congressional review.
Nothing is funnier that someone with a martyr-complex and a faulty memory.
"Why are they highjacking our Democracy?"
We are going to get a EU type government whether we want it or not. Just one more step to world government. Of course we will have to fight China and Russia first.
Uh that this "article" is actually a PR release from a lobbying group with an agenda.
Lobbying groups can put out all the PR news releases they want.
I just think they should be titled as such and not be, IMO, deliberately hidden behind a general moniker such as Yahoo.
Oh, knock it off with the false guilt you lay on people. George Bush is responsible for this agreement as he's responsible for the election loss. He and his stubborness are to blame for the republican loss and your defense of it no matter what this administration pulls.
Now, are you all for this agreement?
U.S. - Mexico Social Security Totalization Agreement
Mark Lowry December 11, 2006
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=17842
The United States is in the process of entering into yet another social security agreement with its "trading partner" Mexico. This treaty agreement is like the others that have been signed to facilitate transfer of cheap labor between trading partners. The objective is to make it easier for international corporations to raid the treasury of the U.S. social security system by flooding our labor market with cheap foreign labor. All agreements with other countries that provide access to our Social Security Trust Funds should be over turned. It is outrageous that our elected officials would even consider this kind of raid on our funds. They are devastating an inviolate trust between citizens of this country and their government. The fiduciary bond between the government and American Citizens who pay into the contractual social security program is backed by the word and financial strength of the country that it will be there when citizens need it. It is a binding contractual insurance program between the American Citizens and the United States Government that is being destroyed so we will be forced to privatize the program. Privatization provides more capital in the investment markets to spur even more growth of profits for the private sector that is leaving the American middle class in the wake of its destruction of America.(snip)
Because the poster said it was already a done deal. Until the president signs it and Congress goes along, it is not a done deal. So keep that "tin-foil-hat" on. For now.
Making it harder and more expensive for those trying to follow the law would reduce the illegals?
Forgive me!
I almost forgot, IT'S ALL BUSH'S FAULT!
Would he have gotten reelected in '04 if the voters had known about this little ditty? I think not.
Bingo - you've nailed the reason Bush waited for the new Democratic Congress. Amnesty and free SS money in one stroke for Mexico.
Conservatives can go to NumbersUSA and FAIR, to name but two organizations, and write REAL postal letters to their congressfolk. We cannot rely on wringing our hands and telephoning/faxing alone.As far as I'm concerned, no one has surpassed Will Rogers in his assessment of Congress as the criminal class. Just think how much better off we'd be if we could roll back fifty years of bureaucracy . . . and hence return to sanity and a government genuinely of, by, and for the people with genuine statesmen and stateswomen at the helm!
Regards . . . Penny
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