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America Doesn't Have to Run the World
www.wordlnetdaily.com ^ | 1/3/06 | Pat Buchanan

Posted on 01/03/2007 4:15:54 AM PST by Thorin

If there was a defining moment in 2006, it was the public firing of Donald Rumsfeld, just hours after the Republican rout of Nov. 7.

George Bush was bowing to public repudiation of his war policy, his war minister and, indeed, his war presidency.

Yet one senses voters were doing more than rejecting Bush's leadership on Iraq. They were rejecting the very idea of spilling blood and treasure in crusades for "global democracy," "ending tyranny on earth" or a "New World Order."

By saying, as most of us are saying now, "In the end, it's the Iraqis' problem," Americans seem to be bidding goodbye to all that. And as we turn our backs upon the world, that world – from Europe to the Mideast, to Russia, China and Latin America – seems to be turning its back on the United States.

The disposition to sacrifice for altruistic ends is waning. Like the Brits before us, the Yanks are coming home.

The 21st century was to be the Second American Century. But after we won the Cold War, freed the captive nations, and brought Russia and China into the international community, our victories turn to ashes in our mouths. The world America built now rejects the master builder.

Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson just led a delegation, including the chairman of the Federal Reserve and half a dozen Cabinet officers, to Beijing to convince the Chinese to help us reduce the $230 billion trade deficit we ran this year with the Mainland. Beijing sent the Americans home with a bag of stale fortune cookies.

China will continue to siphon off our technology, jobs and plants to make the Middle Kingdom the factory of the world and the first power in Asia, eventually on earth. They seek to displace us.

Why should they not? Why should China abandon a trade policy that has given her 9 percent growth for 20 years for a U.S. policy that has given us the largest trade deficits in history? Why should nations that are succeeding adopt the policies of nations that are failing, and wailing?

Japan, the European Union, Canada and Mexico are also piling up mammoth trade surpluses at our expense, by manipulating currencies and tax codes to subsidize exports and repel imports from the United States.

And we take it. What the election of 2006 demonstrated, in Ohio and Michigan and among the Reagan Democrats, is that Americans are fed up with being played for free-trade fools by the rest of the world.

Moscow is creating an OPEC-like natural gas cartel to squeeze the ex-Soviet republics and as a reminder to a gas-dependent Europe that Mother Russia is watching you. Partly because we planted NATO on her front porch and sought to subvert her in her "near abroad," Russia is reverting to an autarkic and authoritarian nationalism.

Which seems to sit well with the Russian people, as 81 percent support President Putin, more than twice the support President Bush enjoys.

In the Middle East, anti-Americanism is pandemic. So successful were Islamists in exploiting the elections Bush promoted in Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Palestine and Egypt, Bush has ceased to beat the democracy drum.

Latin America has turned sharply left, with Brazil, Argentina and Chile gone socialist, and Ecuador, Bolivia and Nicaragua joining Hugo Chavez and Fidel in the radical-populist camp. Peru and Mexico barely escaped being converted to "Bolivarism."

South Korea, fearful of offending the North, has vetoed any tough U.S. policy. Anti-American demonstrations are common there. But why are the North's nukes our problem, 7,000 miles away? Why are U.S. soldiers still on the DMZ, 53 years after the Korean War?

Andrew Roberts, the pro-American Tory historian, says he has never seen such anti-Americanism as in Britain today. Old Europe is reveling in our misfortunes. The French are pulling out of Afghanistan. The Germans want their troops kept out of the fighting. Yet, U.S. elites are pushing to bring Ukraine and Georgia into NATO, which would require us to send our 82nd Airborne to defend Tiblisi. Though the U.S. Army, warns Colin Powell, is "almost broken," we are adding to our commitments to go to war against a nuclear-armed Russia.

We are living in a dream world. America may yet be the world's strongest nation, but our dominance is detested, our leadership is no longer wanted and our people are weary of playing Atlas.

Events abroad and disillusionment at home are causing more and more to ask whether what we call the American Empire or Pax Americana is really worth the aggravation, the cost and the ingratitude.

Interventionism has failed us. Americans are groping toward a new foreign policy that puts America first and a trade policy that puts Americans first.

When we began as a nation, the republic was feared and loathed by many of the monarchs of Europe. Yet, under Washington, Adams and Jefferson, we went our separate way, and prospered as no other republic. We don't have to run the world. Divestiture is an option.


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1 posted on 01/03/2007 4:15:57 AM PST by Thorin
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To: Thorin

And, some want this fool to run the country! THANKS, BUT NO THANKS!


2 posted on 01/03/2007 4:22:04 AM PST by Coldwater Creek (The TERRORIST are the ones who won the midterm elections!)
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To: mariabush

I wouldn't want him for a neighbor or a leader.


3 posted on 01/03/2007 4:25:43 AM PST by allen08gop (America -- The Arsenal For Humanity)
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To: Thorin
Yet, U.S. elites are pushing to bring Ukraine and Georgia into NATO, which would require us to send our 82nd Airborne to defend Tiblisi.

No, Pat. It is the U.S. elites in the bowels of the Pentagon, State Department and Justice Department who leak secrets and undermine this country at every turn, and the U.S. elites in the media and academia who are the villains in this play.

4 posted on 01/03/2007 4:28:43 AM PST by Dahoser (Never question Mr. Nibbles!)
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To: Thorin

And US isolationism will allow the Chinese to lead the world.


5 posted on 01/03/2007 4:29:15 AM PST by Michael81Dus
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To: Dahoser

you both are right. But, pushing Ukraine and Georgia into NATO is only a tiny objective of a much bigger picture. Dahoser, you are on target. They are doing this through the CFR and in England, RIIA. The Bankers and industrialist run the government literally, and we are heading for a signficant change of life toward the end of 2007. The elites; do control all that you say......


6 posted on 01/03/2007 4:33:38 AM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: Thorin
Why should China abandon a trade policy that has given her 9 percent growth for 20 years for a U.S. policy that has given us the largest trade deficits in history?

That deficit is denominated largely in U.S. dollars, which lose value to inflation. If the Chinese displace us, as Pat contends, their little stockpile will be devalued so quickly it won't be funny at all.

Old Europe is reveling in our misfortunes.

Old Europe is also gasping for life as it's slowly choked to death by invading Muslims.

America may yet be the world's strongest nation, but our dominance is detested, our leadership is no longer wanted and our people are weary of playing Atlas.

Then, dear Mr. Buchanan, please explain why everyone in the world STILL! wants so badly to come here that they will risk life, limb, and everything just to set foot on our shores?

. . .

Mr. Buchanan has been smoking the crack that the MSM has fed him for far too long. Yes, things aren't perfect, but it could be much much worse.

7 posted on 01/03/2007 4:36:13 AM PST by rabscuttle385 (Sic Semper Tyrannis * Allen for U.S. Senate in '08)
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To: Thorin
Pat Buchanan, the eternally optomistic isolationist, has written about his most fanciful wet dream. An America which vibrates no longer to lead the world p[olitically, socially and economically. China did not build herself. We helped her. We do not expect thanks, but we do expect reciprocity in trade and a floating of the yuan, which is now artificially pegged at too low a value.

We do not seek to run the world, but when Islamofascist prigs fund raise from our own Islamic citizens , and then use the money to fund a plan which flies 3 planes into US buildings, killing more men women and children than were killed in Pearl Harbor, then we will go after the POSs until every last one of them is pushing up daisies, or whatever infernal flowers grow in the deserts where these rats are to be found. As usual Pat, you are the anti-grist. The person who grinds away at what America is, perhaps that is your only talent, to remind us in direct opposition as to who we are, and who you are not.

8 posted on 01/03/2007 4:36:44 AM PST by Candor7 (Into Liberal flatulance goes the best hope of the West, and who wants to be a smart feller?)
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To: Thorin
Interventionism has failed us. Americans are groping toward a new foreign policy that puts America first and a trade policy that puts Americans first... We don't have to run the world. Divestiture is an option.

How vague. People should know the Devil is in the details. It seems to me any study of history demonstrates that Americans have suffered when they've tried to shut out or ignore the rest of the world. Does Pat think that MADD will protect us against numerous Islamic missiles, the potential of numerous Latin American missiles? Not to mention the danger of biological WMD? In today's world I don't believe a castle wall can be built that is strong to keep those dangers out. Further, it seems to me that a world that is not propped up by the tactical and strategic use of American money will turn to militarism as a way to employ and feed its peoples. And the day always comes when hungry people grow tired of robbing each other and start eyeing that "shining city on the hill".

9 posted on 01/03/2007 4:47:22 AM PST by rhombus
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To: Thorin

Unfortunately, when the world has lent you some 40 TRILLION dollars...you're expected to do more than just lay back by the side of the pool, with a margharita and Tivo....an crticize the rest of the world.


http://mwhodges.home.att.net/nat-debt/debt-nat-a.htm


10 posted on 01/03/2007 4:48:55 AM PST by mo
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To: Thorin

Old nutty Pat...at it again.


11 posted on 01/03/2007 4:50:07 AM PST by Redleg Duke (Heaven is home...I am just TDY here!)
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To: tgambill
Carefully look out your window...do you see that man watching you? He is in contact with the black helicopters and the UFO that is coming to abduct you.

Be afraid...be very afraid!

12 posted on 01/03/2007 4:51:53 AM PST by Redleg Duke (Heaven is home...I am just TDY here!)
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To: Dahoser

There should be a special place set aside in Hell for those traitors.


13 posted on 01/03/2007 4:52:33 AM PST by Coldwater Creek (The TERRORIST are the ones who won the midterm elections!)
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To: Thorin

does Mr Rumsfeld know he was "fired" ?


14 posted on 01/03/2007 4:53:14 AM PST by sure_fine (*not one to over kill the thought process*)
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To: Thorin
We are living in a dream world.

No, Pat, you're the one in dream state, now roll over and go back to sleep.

15 posted on 01/03/2007 4:55:39 AM PST by TADSLOS (Mohammed was the L. Ron Hubbard of his time.)
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To: mariabush

Given that Pat can't run a campaign to win one good conservative state, maybe he should give up world or even national topics and try a topic he knows, like sucking money out of fools on TV and the Media.


16 posted on 01/03/2007 5:20:43 AM PST by q_an_a
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To: TADSLOS

Interventionism's a**! You want to sit back and let the Nazis have it, Psycho? Oh wait. Pat baby probably does. Oops. I'm sorry. Did I just accuse the great Pat Buchannan of favoring the current re-surgence of Nazis? Perish the thought oh fellow freepers. But ask yourself this. What would be the difference if he was overtly cheering on the Islam-o-nazis? Well, to Pat's great credit he stands forthrightly against the mighty neo-con. Not worried about the opinions of others. No. He cares not that his aversions to policy postions that might benefit both the U.S. and Israel, (i.e. stopping terrorists), is closely matched by those of..... Well you fill in the blank. Pat's motivating principle is not what is good for America. But what is indifferent or worse towards Israel. If it harms America, but leaves Israel in the cold, Pats for it. If it helps America and also helps Israel, Pats steadfastly against it. Don't believe me? Read his lovely magazine. Two words. Justin Raimondo. 'nuff said. There are other authors, but I can't talk about them. I haven't had breakfast yet.


17 posted on 01/03/2007 5:24:19 AM PST by dangerbird
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To: A. Pole; hedgetrimmer

ping


18 posted on 01/03/2007 5:30:16 AM PST by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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To: Thorin
We can hide under the bed and wait for the bombs to drop!

No wonder Pat is the darling of the America hating leftist media.

19 posted on 01/03/2007 5:35:51 AM PST by OldFriend (THE PRESS IS AN EVIL FOR WHICH THERE IS NO REMEDY)
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To: Thorin

If there was a defining moment in 2006, it was "macaca" and Mark Foley's instant messages to teenagers. That's all we heard, over and over. The election of 2006 had little to do with Iraq.


20 posted on 01/03/2007 5:37:40 AM PST by advance_copy (Stand for life, or nothing at all)
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To: Thorin

21 posted on 01/03/2007 5:45:09 AM PST by AmericanMade1776 (Democrats don't have a plan)
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To: Thorin
the public firing of Donald Rumsfeld, just hours after the Republican rout of Nov. 7.

Typical Buchanan crap... and he starts off with a factual error (go figure). Rumsfeld resigned prior to the election, but Bush held off the announcement until afterwards.

22 posted on 01/03/2007 5:47:55 AM PST by kevkrom (WARNING: The above post may contain sarcasm... if unsure, please remember to use all precautions)
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To: q_an_a

BINGO!


23 posted on 01/03/2007 5:50:59 AM PST by Coldwater Creek (The TERRORIST are the ones who won the midterm elections!)
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To: Thorin

Pat Buchanan doesn't have to run the U.S.


24 posted on 01/03/2007 5:55:30 AM PST by popdonnelly
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To: Thorin

There has to be a fine line where, the US can be a leader in the world economic system while, being a shining beacon for less fortunate countries, without sacrificing our country's sovereignty and basic rights of it's people.


25 posted on 01/03/2007 5:56:33 AM PST by wolfcreek (Please Lord, May I be, one who sees what's in front of me.)
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To: rabscuttle385; Willie Green; Wolfie; ex-snook; Jhoffa_; FITZ; arete; FreedomPoster; Red Jones; ...
why everyone in the world STILL! wants so badly to come here that they will risk life, limb, and everything just to set foot on our shores?

No everyone. I wanted to come here, but when I visit Poland the majority of people there do not want to leave their country. Many want to work for a limited time in Western Europe or USA to save money and come back.

Compare left part with the right and tell me what if you noticed some change:

Foreign-Born Population Living in the United States

1960

In 1960, the foreign-born population in the United States (from the five principal countries of origin) was relatively diverse:
   2000

In 2000, the foreign-born population from the top five countries was distributed very differently:
  
Source: Campbell J. Gibson and Emily Lennon's "Historical Census Statistics on the Foreign-Born Population of the United States 1850-1990" (Population Division Working Paper No. 29, U.S. Census Bureau, February 1999); and "Profile of the Foreign-Born Population in the United States: 2000" (Washington: U.S. Census Bureau, Current Population Reports, Series p23-206, 2001).

The Hispanic Challenge (To America) A MUST READ Samuel Huntington (Long But Good)

26 posted on 01/03/2007 6:16:31 AM PST by A. Pole (Hugo Chavez: "Huele a azufre, pero Dios está con nosotros")
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To: Thorin

Pat Buchanan is like a broken record.

I read the first paragraph and said, "Who wrote this? Pat Buchanan?"

Then I looked up for the author.

Yup. Pat Buchanan.


27 posted on 01/03/2007 6:22:59 AM PST by TSchmereL ("Rust but terrify.")
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To: A. Pole
Add this to your reading:

Importing Poverty: Immigration and Poverty in the United States: A Book of Charts

Since the immigration reforms of the 1960s, the U.S. has imported poverty through immigration policies that per­mitted and encouraged the entry and residence of millions of low-skill immigrants into the nation. Low-skill immi­grants tend to be poor and to have children who, in turn, add to America’s poverty problem, driving up governmental welfare, social service, and education costs.

Today’s immigrants differ greatly from historic immigrant populations. Prior to 1960, immigrants to the U.S. had education levels that were similar to those of the non-immigrant workforce and earned wages that were, on aver­age, higher than those of non-immigrant workers. Since the mid-1960s, however, the education levels of new immigrants have plunged relative to non-immigrants; consequently, the average wages of immigrants are now well below those of the non-immigrant population. Recent immigrants increasingly occupy the low end of the U.S. socio-economic spectrum.[2]

28 posted on 01/03/2007 6:36:42 AM PST by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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To: Redleg Duke

:)) I would love to be in contact with you around the end of 2007... The evidence is overwhelming, and certainly I don't argue any longer or get excited about folks who are either afraid, in denial, disinfo hirees, or arrogant as to their alleged knowledge. I know this to be true, and it comes to a point that you just want to step aside, not say a word and watch it happen.

It actually reflects the naivity and in some cases, silliness of those not aware and uneducated in the truth of world events, undisputed by facts, quotes, and testimony by even the ones perpetrating the agenda. Can't get any closer than that.

:) Reading this, it sounds so much like being a conspiracy nut. Guess what, that is the genius of the entire campaign since the turn of the century. It's like a "shell game". You have one shell under one cup. The shell is the actual conspiracy and the truth. Anyone who doesn't believe that the government isn't involved in "conspiracies" needs to go back to grade school. Anyway, one cup, one shell, it's easy to find the conspiracy. Now, let's up the anty....put three cups, one shell, move them around you might find the real conspiracy and maybe not. However, what they have done is extraordinary. They have put 20 empty cups in front of you, told you to turn around and placed the shell (real conspiracy) in only one cup. Now, turn around and find the truth. After finding 10 empty cups, because the real shell is placed far back in the rear.....you come to the conclusion that all the cups are only conspiracies or you just get tired of looking.

It boils down to, one drops the seed, and once planted, the person will remember when it becomes apparent.

To be afraid is to be stupid.....to be aware is to allow action and a clear agenda to deal with it........


29 posted on 01/03/2007 6:37:56 AM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: mo
Unfortunately, when the world has lent you some 40 TRILLION dollars...you're expected to do more than just lay back by the side of the pool, with a margharita and Tivo....an crticize the rest of the world.

Do you understand the difference between debt and unfunded liabilities? Any discussion of debt without considering assets is useless. That's why Hodges' charts are meaningless.

30 posted on 01/03/2007 6:48:22 AM PST by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: tgambill

And the Bilderbergs slipped this to you, right? Or is it the vast, secret Masonic Conspiracy?


31 posted on 01/03/2007 6:48:30 AM PST by Redleg Duke (Heaven is home...I am just TDY here!)
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To: tgambill
Jerome Corsi, is that you?
32 posted on 01/03/2007 6:53:06 AM PST by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: Thorin

America will never be truly free until every corner of the world has real democracy. Because every tyrant that lives, every person in bondage, every oppressed minority will somehow, some way, come around to haunt us.

Pat Buchanan is of the old American tradition that America is a world unto itself, and we neither need, nor want, nor should have anything to do with anyone outside our borders. The rest of the world can go to Hell and it is none of our business. Build a giant fence around the totality of our borders and pretend they do not exist.

It doesn't matter that even a child can see the glaring stupidity of such beliefs. Pat is a true believer. He will not, and perhaps he cannot, fathom America as part of the world. It is too large and menacing, filled with old world ghosts, royalists, dictators, and people who seem all too willing to be subjugated to pagan gods.

Why should America help those who do not help themselves?

If you were to ask the World War II generation in the 1950s what enemy would strike America as its "next Pearl Harbor", how many if even allowed to guess 100 times, would suggest fanatical Muslims? Yet they were often the enemy of the British Empire, why shouldn't they threaten the Pax Americana?

But from Pat's point of view, if America had just used its own oil instead of buying it from Arabs, perhaps 911 would have never happened. Shouldn't have let any foreigners into the US in the first place. No need, especially after the Cold War was over.

But back to what I said at first. From the very start of the US, our founding fathers sought to spread the democratic revolution around the planet. They saw it as a revolution, and even then they knew that the only nations the US could ever truly call friend would have to be true democracies.

Because unless they are democracies, you cannot trust them, ever.


33 posted on 01/03/2007 7:16:10 AM PST by Popocatapetl
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To: Redleg Duke


You clearly are behind the power curve, or have no clue about the "Buildyorownbergers"..lolol...:)

You must mean these guys.....well, they didn't invite me for tea this year. But, maybe next year they will invite me for Saudi Coffee and dates, and after discussions, some hot sweet tea that is so common there. When you form a partnership, you know, one has to be able to jockey a camel.....:))




BILDERBERG SECRET WORLD GOVERNMENT
- The Insider Information Bulletin,
http://www.theinsider.org/mailing/article.asp?id=00369




THE BILDERBERG SECRET MEETING FOR 2004

For over 50 years now the wealthiest family in the world has called together the most influential people in the world for a secrete meeting. Almost every year for 50 years now, the Bilderberg's have not only gathered together into one place the other wealthiest people in the world and/or powerful people in politics, finance, business, newsmedia, or special interest groups, but they have also paid the entire bill for these meeting. This bill is estimated to be in the millions of dollars for the travel, hotels, and meals.

The 50th anniversary conference of what is called the "Bilderberg group" was hosted at the Grand Hotel des Iles Borromees in Italy and ended Sunday, June 6, 2004. By the way, at the same time that Bush was also in Italy visiting the Holy Father, whatever that means.

Since 1953, the Bilderberg group has convened these secret meeting of government, business, academic and journalistic representatives and claim that they are just social and to just get to know one another. It is no secret that the Bilderberg's promote a globalist agenda and believe that national sovereignty is antiquated and regressive.



BILDERBERG MEETINGS
SINTRA
JUNE 3RD–6TH 1999
NOT FOR QUOTATION
[Page 2]
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[Page 3]
http://www.bilderberg.org/1999mins.htm
Introduction
The forty-seventh Bilderberg Meeting was held at the Caesar Park Hotel Penha Longa, Sintra, Portugal, from June 3rd–6th 1999. There were 111 participants from 24 countries. The participants represented government, diplomacy, politics, business, law, education, journalism and institutes specialising in national and international studies. All participants spoke in a personal capacity, not as representatives of their national governments or employers. As is usual at Bilderberg Meetings, in order to permit frank and open discussion, no public reporting of the conference took place.



http://onlinejournal.org/Special_Reports/052405Estulin/052405estulin.html

http://www.onlinejournal.com/artman/publish/article_310.shtml


The world in the palm of their hands: Bilderberg 2005, Part II
June 11, 2005 - 20:39

Filed under: Agencies, Commissions...
Special Report
The world in the palm of their hands: Bilderberg 2005, Part II
By Daniel Estulin Online Journal Contributing Writer
http://100777.com/node/1281



34 posted on 01/03/2007 7:17:26 AM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: Mase

Well lookie here....we have a double team of monkey's coming to hep each otter...:)) Well, you must mean this Jerome Corsi......

THE NEW WORLD DISORDER
Bush 'super-state' documents sought
FOIA request filed to expose plans for 'North American union'

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=50719



Posted: June 20, 2006
1:00 a.m. Eastern

© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com

Author Jerome Corsi filed a Freedom of Information Act request yesterday asking for full disclosure of the activities of an office implementing a trilateral agreement with Mexico and Canada that apparently could lead to a North American union, despite having no authorization from Congress.

As WorldNetDaily reported, the White House has established working groups, under the North American Free Trade Agreement office in the Department of Commerce, to implement the Security and Prosperity Partnership, or SPP, signed by President Bush, Mexican President Vicente Fox and then-Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin in Waco, Texas, March 23, 2005.

and,
He also wants all comments to representatives of the "Prosperity Working Groups" or other working groups, committees or task forces associated with the partnership along with internal and external interagency or intra-agency memoranda of understanding, letters of intent, agreements, initiatives and budgeting documents.

Corsi believes President Bush effectively agreed to erase U.S. borders with Mexico and Canada when he signed the SPP.

Geri Word, the administrator in charge of SPP, confirmed in a telephone conversation with Corsi that SPP.gov has not published the membership lists of the working groups or the many trilateral agreements the website documents indicate are being implemented.

"This is all being done by the executive branch below the radar," Corsi told WND. "If President Bush had told the American people in the 2004 presidential campaign that his goal was to create a North American union, he would not have carried a single red state."

The president, Corsi maintains, has charged the bureaucracy to form a North American union "through executive fiat ... without ever disclosing his plans directly to the American people or to Congress."



Also covered at the end of this film documenting this issue and substantiating.....

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4312730277175242198&q=

Keep it coming......this is good exercise....



35 posted on 01/03/2007 7:33:17 AM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: A. Pole
No everyone. I wanted to come here, but when I visit Poland the majority of people there do not want to leave their country. Many want to work for a limited time in Western Europe or USA to save money and come back.

The majority of students I teach today are foreign nationals and I'd say it's a mixed bag as to whether or not they want to stay here or go back. Often it depends on individual circumstances. I had a very capable Indian student go back home after graduating even though he had offers to stay here and work. He wanted to help his family and get married back in India. Another chose to stay here. About the only students who really, really want to stay here are Iranians. Not hard to understand why, really.

36 posted on 01/03/2007 7:36:00 AM PST by chimera
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To: Popocatapetl
America will never be truly free until every corner of the world has real democracy.

Real democracy or real republic? Democracies are not lasting and they tend to be replaced by tyrannies.

Should British and Japanese monarchies be overthrown?

37 posted on 01/03/2007 7:37:54 AM PST by A. Pole (Hugo Chavez: "Huele a azufre, pero Dios está con nosotros")
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To: Popocatapetl

I have been studing this for over a decade, living in Saudi, kosovo and now Africa. I have to say, we are not completely the good guys here. Our shadow government has everything to say about what we do........here is the reality, but it can be beaten.


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1760645/posts?page=43#43


38 posted on 01/03/2007 7:42:28 AM PST by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: Popocatapetl
If you were to ask the World War II generation in the 1950s what enemy would strike America as its "next Pearl Harbor", how many if even allowed to guess 100 times, would suggest fanatical Muslims?

Well, they would point to the Communists. And if the secular and popular Iranian government of Mossadeq were not removed in 1953 and radical Islamists in Afghanistan were not supported in 1980s (all that was done in order to fight Communism) the 9/11 probably would not happen.

The law of unintended consequences is one of the reasons why we cannot predict the future.

39 posted on 01/03/2007 7:43:39 AM PST by A. Pole (Hugo Chavez: "Huele a azufre, pero Dios está con nosotros")
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To: Thorin
Why should nations that are succeeding adopt the policies of nations that are failing, and wailing?

BUMP!

40 posted on 01/03/2007 7:47:06 AM PST by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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To: Michael81Dus

Why should nations that are succeeding adopt the policies of nations that are failing, and wailing?


41 posted on 01/03/2007 7:48:11 AM PST by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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To: mariabush

Why should nations that are succeeding adopt the policies of nations that are failing, and wailing?


42 posted on 01/03/2007 7:48:26 AM PST by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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To: allen08gop
I wouldn't want him for a neighbor or a leader.

He is your neighbor, and a fellow citizen...if you really are. Looks to me like you are a coordinated slew of Bush 'bot lackies. Continuing their campaign of personal destruction.

43 posted on 01/03/2007 7:50:32 AM PST by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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To: dangerbird

Don't forget, Pat lost a dear relative in a Nazi Concentration Camp. He fell out of the guard tower.


44 posted on 01/03/2007 7:51:55 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: kevkrom
Typical Buchanan crap... and he starts off with a factual error (go figure). Rumsfeld resigned prior to the election, but Bush held off the announcement until afterwards

Actually, yours is the party in error. Rumsfeld offered repeatedly to resign in 2004, and again in 2005. This time, the "offer" wasn't really his idea.

45 posted on 01/03/2007 7:55:38 AM PST by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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To: sure_fine
does Mr Rumsfeld know he was "fired" ?

Why don't you ask him?

46 posted on 01/03/2007 7:59:01 AM PST by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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To: Paul Ross

That is the liberal, socialist way. Equality of outcome, rather than equality of opportunity.


47 posted on 01/03/2007 8:27:41 AM PST by Redleg Duke (Heaven is home...I am just TDY here!)
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To: Paul Ross

Hey Paul,

You assume wrong.

Born and raised in Chicago area. Not a Bush lacky either.

Great-grandfather was a Republican state senator for Wisc. He is credited with the plan that kept Milwaukee in the black during the Depression. In other words, they had little debt.

Grandparents and parents were Conservatives. I am a Conservative.

I stand by my statement. You are entitled to disagree.

"campaign of personal destruction?" You sound like a lib.


48 posted on 01/03/2007 8:31:16 AM PST by allen08gop (America -- The Arsenal For Humanity)
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To: Paul Ross

Why don't you ask him?


49 posted on 01/03/2007 8:32:18 AM PST by allen08gop (America -- The Arsenal For Humanity)
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To: Popocatapetl
If you were to ask the World War II generation in the 1950s what enemy would strike America as its "next Pearl Harbor", how many if even allowed to guess 100 times, would suggest fanatical Muslims? Yet they were often the enemy of the British Empire, why shouldn't they threaten the Pax Americana?

Why were Muslims the enemy of the British Empire?

50 posted on 01/03/2007 8:48:16 AM PST by lucysmom
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