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The sources of Denver's tragedy
Rocky Mountain News ^ | 04 Jan 07

Posted on 01/04/2007 7:46:55 AM PST by rellimpank

Too many define manhood through violence

What makes someone spray a limousine with bullets even though he has no idea who might die? A "gun culture," answers The Denver Post, under the headline "Williams' murder a cowardly gun crime." Suffice it to say that the murder of Darrent Williams would not have occurred, at least in the fashion it did, without a gun. But that fact in itself explains little. What is most horrifying about this crime was the killer's casual targeting of people he hardly knew or didn't know at all over what perhaps was a disagreement or a perceived slight - an example of "disrespect" that had to be avenged.

It may be "culture" at the bottom of this tragedy, all right - gangster culture. Criminal culture. Culture in which lethal violence is considered the accepted if not the anticipated response to, for example, a heated argument.

(Excerpt) Read more at rockymountainnews.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: banglist; bloods; bloodsgang; brianhicks; crips; cripsgang; gang; gangbanger; hicks

1 posted on 01/04/2007 7:46:56 AM PST by rellimpank
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To: rellimpank
---good answer to yesterday's garbage from the Denver Post-- --http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1761714/posts
2 posted on 01/04/2007 7:49:15 AM PST by rellimpank (-don't believe anything the MSM states about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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To: All

Ask the Dems... it must be Bush's fault.


3 posted on 01/04/2007 7:49:22 AM PST by BFM (CLINTON is and always will be a rapist. Never forget!)
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To: rellimpank

--the link--

--http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1761714/posts


4 posted on 01/04/2007 7:51:09 AM PST by rellimpank (-don't believe anything the MSM states about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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To: rellimpank

But to the left, where all cultures are equal no matter what they do or the values they hold, it's so much easier to just blame the gun.

This will only serve to further punish the law abiding citizens of Denver with yet more ridiculous gun control laws.


5 posted on 01/04/2007 7:54:57 AM PST by Radio_Silence
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To: rellimpank

It is not what is in the hand that matters. It is what is in your heart. The question is what is there about our culture that turns our children into murderers?


6 posted on 01/04/2007 7:55:36 AM PST by Citizen Tom Paine (An old sailor sends we need a 800 ship Navy.)
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To: rellimpank
When you don't spank your kids for doing bad, when you puff them up with "self esteem" even when they are failing, when you refuse to make them take responsibility for their actions, then you have bred a generation of emotional losers who are all full of fart gas and nothing else.

Such a preening, self important wastrel does not know how to handle rejection or reprimand or someone pointing out to them that they are losers. When this happens, their ridiculously blown out of proportion sense of "pride" in themselves, causes them to freak out and, not knowing how else to act, they reach for the only thing that they think will "right the wrong done me". And now you reap what you have sewn.
7 posted on 01/04/2007 7:56:17 AM PST by Al Gator (Refusing to "stoop to your enemy's level", gets you cut off at the knees.)
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To: rellimpank
What makes someone spray a limousine with bullets even though he has no idea who might die?

It's not they have no idea, but that they don't care. That's the problem.

8 posted on 01/04/2007 7:59:35 AM PST by Houmatt (If you want something, you go get it. Period.)
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To: rellimpank
The sources of Denver's tragedy

He should have known how to fly.

Oh wait I thought this was about John Denver.

9 posted on 01/04/2007 8:00:48 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: BFM
Ask the Dems most FReepers...it must be Bush's fault.

There. Fixed it.

10 posted on 01/04/2007 8:03:05 AM PST by Wolfstar ("Common sense is not so common." Voltaire, 1764)
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To: rellimpank

A very excellent editorial.


11 posted on 01/04/2007 8:04:50 AM PST by r9etb
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To: dfwgator

Are you drinking JD in water? /s


12 posted on 01/04/2007 8:05:24 AM PST by WakeUpAndVote (Got towel?)
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To: rellimpank
Until Bill Cosby replaces Jesse Jackson as #1 spokesperson for African American issues.....well just < YAWN >!!!!!!!
13 posted on 01/04/2007 8:06:08 AM PST by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: rellimpank

the Tahoe is registered the 27-year-old Brian Hicks, a self-professed gang member.

Hicks is currently in jail on unrelated attempted murder and drug charges. Hicks made local headlines roughly a month ago when the key witness in his attempted murder trial was gunned down in front of her home.

http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=62604


14 posted on 01/04/2007 8:07:06 AM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: rellimpank

....those damn guns.....

You bet, those guns did it again, of course its not the idiot that has ILLEGALLY gotten one now is it?


15 posted on 01/04/2007 8:08:10 AM PST by HarleyLady27 (My ? to libs: "Do they ever shut up on your planet?" "Grow your own DOPE: Plant a LIB!")
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To: rellimpank
What is most horrifying about this crime was the killer's casual targeting of people he hardly knew or didn't know at all over what perhaps was a disagreement or a perceived slight

And also, perhaps, the MSM's casual recital of lofty speculation before the facts are in.

16 posted on 01/04/2007 8:08:56 AM PST by JennysCool (Well done, President Ford.)
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To: HarleyLady27

A person with Williams at the club was said to be dressed all in red, a color commonly associated with the Bloods gang.

Sources tell 9NEWS that while at the nightclub, that person was in an altercation with other club-goers dressed in all blue, a color commonly associated with the Crips gang.

Hours later, the limo was sprayed with bullets near 11th and Speer Blvd.

Police say the manner in which the bullets were sprayed were typical of an intentional act to hurt someone, as they were shot roughly at head level.


17 posted on 01/04/2007 8:09:37 AM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

I can imagine, having lived in Denver for 15 years, that the gangs are still at it....but its not the GUNS that are the problem, its the PEOPLE who have the guns that are the problem.

You cannot stop ILLEGALLY owned weapons, I don't care how many laws you have...its no different than drugs...but for our MSM idiots to keep pounding day after day about the guns, is as childish as staying the "SUV" killed someone....these are ITEMS, its the HUMANS behind the ITEMS that are the problem.....


18 posted on 01/04/2007 8:17:30 AM PST by HarleyLady27 (My ? to libs: "Do they ever shut up on your planet?" "Grow your own DOPE: Plant a LIB!")
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To: HarleyLady27

We agree.

The gangs are growing. The problem is not the guns. The problem is the criminals.


19 posted on 01/04/2007 8:21:05 AM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76
I live in Denver and its amazing to me how the politicians and the press want to hide the fact that Gangs were involved on both sides...Its a Gangster Rap thing...its what they live and DIE for...what tragedy???????????
20 posted on 01/04/2007 8:21:24 AM PST by Youngman442002
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To: Youngman442002

Apparently that club is a gang club.

The police get called there alot.


21 posted on 01/04/2007 8:26:49 AM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: rellimpank

Saw this on a bumpersticker yesterday (probably NRA):

"If guns kill people then pencils misspell words."

I despise the intellectual dishonesty of the gun-grabbers. In the hands of a thug, anything and everything is dangerous, from a brick to a Beretta. But what is most dangerous is a grown human being without any moral restraint on his or her behavior. And what I never hear from the likes of the Denver Post is support for those institutions that train the hearts of men.


22 posted on 01/04/2007 8:27:15 AM PST by OffMyMeds (Crede et manducasti)
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To: rellimpank

The source? Ft Worth is Crips country cuz. Crips and Bloods don't dig each other see. Straight up.

Goodnight funny man.


23 posted on 01/04/2007 8:36:00 AM PST by kinghorse (calls them like I sees them)
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To: kinghorse

The vic was from Ft. Worth.


24 posted on 01/04/2007 8:37:11 AM PST by kinghorse (calls them like I sees them)
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To: rellimpank
Would the gun grabbers feel better if a homemade bomb was thrown into the car...killing or maiming the occupants? How about if Williams was stabbed to death. Do gun grabbers really think such needless and pointless death would be prevented if there were no guns? The core of the problem involves a very violent subculture within the inner city. Many times this violent subculture uses illegally obtained weapons...but gun grabbers are mistaken if they think eliminating guns (if it were even possible) would even stop the violence - they would just find another tool to use for their murderous ways. Ending inner city violence takes a hell of a lot more effort than just focusing on guns. The gun grabbers aren't up for the task for one reason or another.
25 posted on 01/04/2007 8:37:32 AM PST by CastleMan95
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To: rellimpank
Is it any wonder that people in our society have no respect for life.

We insist on the right to kill our unborn babies in our womb. We insist that it's compassion to kill our elderly infirm, and in Princeton we have a professor who thinks that it's a good idea to kill handicapped babies up until 30 days after their birth.

We show disrespect to all our institutions, CSPIN thinks it's nice to put raving madmen on their air, calling for the death of our President, etc.

Keith Olberwomann rants day in and day out about how much he HATES..........ditto Matthews........to say nothing of Wolfe Blitzed side kick, Cafferty.

Respect is a dirty word in America.

26 posted on 01/04/2007 8:46:34 AM PST by OldFriend (THE PRESS IS AN EVIL FOR WHICH THERE IS NO REMEDY)
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To: HarleyLady27
Equally responsible....the gun and the SUV.

There, settled the question!

27 posted on 01/04/2007 8:47:53 AM PST by OldFriend (THE PRESS IS AN EVIL FOR WHICH THERE IS NO REMEDY)
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To: HarleyLady27
My daughter lived in a beautiful high rise right there at 11th. & Speer and we were considering buying a condo in that building.

She has also been in that club for a private party.

There are evil evil people in this world and until we stop looking for 'root causes' and 'excuses' we will continue on down the road to destruction.

28 posted on 01/04/2007 8:49:34 AM PST by OldFriend (THE PRESS IS AN EVIL FOR WHICH THERE IS NO REMEDY)
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To: Al Gator

Good explication of a major part of the problem.


29 posted on 01/04/2007 9:17:41 AM PST by jammer (It is interesting and devastating to watch the disintegration of a great nation.)
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To: OldFriend
We show disrespect to all our institutions,

I agree with all your points, but have a quibble/addendum to this statement. We DO show disrespect to all our institutions, but all our institutions have been compromised and are on the way to being destroyed as the institutions they were intended to be. Examples are education, the mainline Church, the MSM, law enforcement, and, especially, the federal government. IMO, they deserve not only our disrespect, but our contempt.

(Jerry) Pournelle's Iron Law of Bureaucracy states that in any bureaucratic organization there will be two kinds of people: those who work to further the actual goals of the organization, and those who work for the organization itself. The Iron Law states that in all cases, the second type of person will always gain control of the organization, and will always write the rules under which the organization functions.

30 posted on 01/04/2007 9:24:22 AM PST by jammer (It is interesting and devastating to watch the disintegration of a great nation.)
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To: OffMyMeds

Bingo!

The institutions that train the hears of men is what the left most despises and degenerates when ever it gets the chance. It is almost as if they want this nation to fall into a never ending spiral of violence and chaos.

All because they hate God, Christians and morals.


31 posted on 01/04/2007 9:29:30 AM PST by TruthConquers (Delenda est publius schola)
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To: jammer
--The Iron Law states that in all cases, the second type of person will always gain control of the organization, and will always write the rules under which the organization functions.--

--exactly--it's why it's over, folks--we are past the point of no return---headed over the precipice--

32 posted on 01/04/2007 9:32:16 AM PST by rellimpank (-don't believe anything the MSM states about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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To: rellimpank

Similar in MO to a Muslim honor killing.


33 posted on 01/04/2007 9:37:48 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: rellimpank

Good post. Vince Carroll wrote an excellent rejoinder to the Post's gun control nonsense.


34 posted on 01/04/2007 9:46:30 AM PST by colorado tanker
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To: colorado tanker

-thanks-do you have a link?--


35 posted on 01/04/2007 9:53:59 AM PST by rellimpank (-don't believe anything the MSM states about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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To: rellimpank

I was referring to this editorial - Vince is the editor of the editorial page and generally writes all the major editorials. This looked like his style to me, so I assume it's him.


36 posted on 01/04/2007 10:04:40 AM PST by colorado tanker
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To: colorado tanker
--thanks--I misunderstood-- agree with you.

Here in southern Nevada, it's not hard to tell when Vin Suprynowicz writes the Review-Journal lead editorial--

37 posted on 01/04/2007 10:11:42 AM PST by rellimpank (-don't believe anything the MSM states about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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