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Socialism on the move: Edwards pushes Universal Healthcare
Small Government Times ^ | 01/02/07 | SGT

Posted on 01/05/2007 2:11:43 PM PST by sdnet

John Edwards, never a warm and cozy sight to doctors and other medical professionals and a presidential candidate for 2008, is pushing for a taxpayer-funded Universal Healthcare plan, further nudging the United States closer and closer to pure socialism.

When asked if these kinds of taxpayer funded “investments” are a priority over balancing the clearly lopsided federal budget, he responded “If I were choosing now between which is more important, I think the investments are more important,” during an ABC television interview recently. Investments in socialism are clearly more important to Edwards. The priority of spending money supersedes saving money with every Democrat or Republican running for president in 2008.

Although balancing the budget is apparently important to the southern politician, he admitted that a federal government run Universal Healthcare plan may prevent the newly elected Democratic Congress from fixing the “fiscal ditch” that we find ourselves in.

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KEYWORDS: edwards; healthcare; socialism; socializedmedicine
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1 posted on 01/05/2007 2:11:45 PM PST by sdnet
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To: sdnet

edwards don't matter


2 posted on 01/05/2007 2:14:10 PM PST by sure_fine (*not one to over kill the thought process*)
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To: sdnet

That ambulance chaser must not realize that he'd be cutting his own throat. Can't sue the gub'mint when the federal medical system brings on fatalities.


3 posted on 01/05/2007 2:15:03 PM PST by weegee ("Vote Obama - For More Ears!")
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To: Bahbah; Mo1

This message from John Edwards kind of goes against the "pay-go" legislation that is the foundation of the Pelosi 100 hour agenda, doesn't it???

Hehehehehe...this is SO fun!


4 posted on 01/05/2007 2:15:39 PM PST by Txsleuth (FREEPATHON TIME--Please become a monthly or dollar a day donor!!)
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To: sdnet

Also would hurt the economy. The only thing the democrats are good at.


5 posted on 01/05/2007 2:16:46 PM PST by tkathy (Sectarian violence? Or genocidal racists? Which is a better description of islamists?)
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To: sdnet

Socialism on the move: Edwards pushes Universal Healthcare

There's a lot of that going around, California is likely to get a big dose soon as well.


6 posted on 01/05/2007 2:17:05 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ......)
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To: sdnet

7 posted on 01/05/2007 2:17:37 PM PST by Vaquero (Moderate Islam is Radical Islams Trojan horse in the West)
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To: Txsleuth

When you have no coherent philosophy based on things that work in the real world, this is the mess you are going to get yourselves in.


8 posted on 01/05/2007 2:18:21 PM PST by Bahbah (.Regev, Goldwasser & Shalit, we are praying for you.)
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To: Vaquero
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9 posted on 01/05/2007 2:19:04 PM PST by cripplecreek (Peace without victory is a temporary illusion.)
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To: sdnet
John Edwards and Universal Health Care
10 posted on 01/05/2007 2:19:14 PM PST by Mike Bates (Irish Alzheimer's victim: I only remember the grudges.)
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To: sdnet

Free aspirin for everyone!!!


11 posted on 01/05/2007 2:22:53 PM PST by Grateful One
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To: Bahbah

I tell you what...when I don't have to listen to any of them...and can just read what is going on...

I am having a great time.

I enjoyed watching GOP rep after GOP rep get up on the House floor today and spell out that broken promises by the Dems....

John Edwards has been talked about as being the "ONE" to take advantage of the strikes against Hillary and Obama.


ROFLMAO!!!


12 posted on 01/05/2007 2:23:28 PM PST by Txsleuth (FREEPATHON TIME--Please become a monthly or dollar a day donor!!)
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To: sure_fine
I hate how these multimillionaires want to socialize everything. Once they are set for life financially they want to tell us how we need to pay for entitlements. Changes they want to make have no impact on their financial future while forcing us into higher taxes and inflation. Guess who will end up paying? I wish we could ban limousine liberals from elective office.
13 posted on 01/05/2007 2:28:43 PM PST by crymeariver (Good news...in a way)
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To: weegee

No need to. He's got $5 million parked in his account already from NC OB docs and their insurance companies.


14 posted on 01/05/2007 2:29:37 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: crymeariver

"Changes they want to make have no impact on their financial future.."


oh but they do, when they own controlling interest in what ever product they get the govt to deem as needed

remember LadyBird Johnsons fathers shipping company?


15 posted on 01/05/2007 2:31:08 PM PST by sure_fine (*not one to over kill the thought process*)
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To: Mike Bates

Great article. I never made the connection quite so clearly between 'universal health care' coming so dangerously close to indentured servitude for medical workers.

Heaven help us if Hillary manages to get elected with Dem majorities in the House and Senate. I need to get my herb garden planted!


16 posted on 01/05/2007 2:36:54 PM PST by pinz-n-needlez (Jack Bauer wears Tony Snow pajamas)
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To: sure_fine
Okay. Let's socialize the legal profession also. Shouldn't a gangmember from the ghetto get the exact same quality of legal representation as OJ? If all lawyers worked for the government, were paid a 'standardized' wage, and were assigned cases randomly wouldn't it be more fair? After all, everything MUST be fair (sarc.). Isn't legal representation with the lawyer of your choice a basic human right?
17 posted on 01/05/2007 2:37:58 PM PST by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: Mike Bates

Puke.
Edwards doesn't like doctors much, does he? (Neither do I, but for different reasons)


18 posted on 01/05/2007 2:38:45 PM PST by darkangel82
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To: sdnet

Hes only doing it to give Hildabeast a gage and get the issue in front of America so PIAPS wont ruin her chance by bringing up what a miserable failure she and social health were.


19 posted on 01/05/2007 2:41:01 PM PST by Archon of the East ("universal executive power of the law of nature")
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To: pinz-n-needlez

Thanks for reading it.


20 posted on 01/05/2007 2:43:38 PM PST by Mike Bates (Irish Alzheimer's victim: I only remember the grudges.)
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21 posted on 01/05/2007 2:44:11 PM PST by Mike Bates (Irish Alzheimer's victim: I only remember the grudges.)
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To: Mike Bates

LOL!
Shouldn't he be chasing it though, and not driving it?


22 posted on 01/05/2007 2:45:02 PM PST by darkangel82
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To: Mike Bates

Thanks for writing it! :-)


23 posted on 01/05/2007 2:49:54 PM PST by pinz-n-needlez (Jack Bauer wears Tony Snow pajamas)
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To: Vaquero
John Edwards and his hair on Youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AE847UXu3Q
24 posted on 01/05/2007 2:50:34 PM PST by capecodder
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To: darkangel82
Shouldn't he be chasing it though, and not driving it?

He leaves the Rolls at home so to be as close to carbon neutral as possible.

25 posted on 01/05/2007 2:56:40 PM PST by Mike Bates (Irish Alzheimer's victim: I only remember the grudges.)
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To: Mike Bates

LOL. He's just a walking(or in this case, driving) joke, isn't he. Just not a very funny one....


26 posted on 01/05/2007 3:00:03 PM PST by darkangel82
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To: Txsleuth
LOL, it is fun, to bad 99.9% of the public will never know what the Dems do or say.

Reminds me of the MSM's blackout of our military pressers in Iraq and Afghanistan. (not to mention the gov pressers in both countries)

Unfortunately the MSM rules the roost.
27 posted on 01/05/2007 3:04:42 PM PST by roses of sharon
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To: sdnet

UK Hospital Fined for “Excessive Efficiency”

Ipswich Hospital was fined nearly £2.5m worth of funding because it treated too many patients, too quickly. Nurses and doctors at Ipswich Hospital had done so well in meeting their waiting lists targets that some patients were seen with a week rather than the minimum 122 days required by National Health Service rules.

Anne Bullock, spokeswoman for NHS, explained, "Minimum waiting times must be enforced if we are to ensure that everyone is equally inconvenienced. We cannot allow the superior efficiency of any hospital or staff to undermine our national commitment to equality. Everyone must take their turn at suffering or even dying, for that matter. It is fundamentally wrong for anyone to escape this social responsibility.”

There is also some speculation that a financial crisis in the NHS may be a factor, Hospitals have been told not to operate on patients until they have been on a waiting list for at least 20 weeks in an attempt to hold down costs. “From a fiscal perspective, making patients wait is cost-effective,” said Bullock. “Operations cost the NHS money. Delays do not.”

The hospital says it is reviewing its procedures to ensure that there are no repeats of this “unfortunate sequence of events.” “We cannot explain how the staff was permitted to work so efficiently,” said Nigel Cringely, Ipswich Hospital’s Administrator. “We are introducing administrative oversight procedures aimed at preventing a repetition in the future.”

Unfazed by the delays in treatment under socialized medicine, former North Carolina senator, John Edwards announced that universal, government-funded medical care will be a key plank of his platform in his bid for the 2008 Democratic nomination for president. “We cannot afford to let the failures of government funded healthcare in other countries deter us from implementing our own version here,” Edwards said. “I’m confident we can succeed where others have failed.”

A key element of the Edwards plan would be money set aside to fund tort lawyers who will sue doctors and hospitals if care falls below acceptable levels. “Under my plan doctors and hospitals won’t get away with excuses like lack of funds or time to provide top-tier care,” Edwards explained. “Any patient dissatisfied with the quality or timeliness of his treatment will receive government funds sufficient to hire top-notch trial attorneys to press his case for punitive damages. Doctors and hospitals will know that they face financial ruin if they fail to deliver the best possible care.”

Edwards boasted that PITLA (the Personal Injury Trial Lawyers’ Association) has already pledged to raise $10 million to support his candidacy. “The people who really care about America are behind me and this plan,” Edwards said. “With PITLA’s backing I don’t see how we can fail.”

In related news, UK hospitals’ efforts to stem the inroads of killer infections has been set back by Muslims refusal to wash their hands when visiting sick relatives. Dispensers containing anti-bacterial gel have been placed outside wards at hospitals in a bid to combat superbugs. Many Muslims are refusing to use the hand cleansers on religious grounds. “The Prophet (may peace be upon him) did not direct us to wash,” said Abi Muksukr, one of the non-washers. “Illness is a curse from Allah. Prayer is the cure. So, why should we be forced to defile ourselves with these evil smelling chemicals just to please the superstitions of the unbelievers?”

read more...

http://www.azconservative.org/Semmens1.htm


28 posted on 01/05/2007 3:07:42 PM PST by John Semmens
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To: pinz-n-needlez

There will never be enough taxpayers to pay for all the medical care people would accept "free" from the government. Instead of socialized medicine, the less government involvement, the better.
For example, people 65 + should have the freedom to opt out of Medicare (without paying a penalty premium or tax), if they want to take responsibility for their own health care. Not everyone 65+ needs or wants Medicare.
Medicaid should be shut down, leaving it to the States to decide how much they want to spend on health care for the poor (including illegal immigrants). The closer these decisions are to the taxpayers, the more accountability there will be.


29 posted on 01/05/2007 3:15:14 PM PST by pleikumud
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To: roses of sharon

Yes...and it is scary.

Somehow we can't let the MSM to dictate our elections and our foreign policy by only showing the news they WANT Americans to see.


30 posted on 01/05/2007 3:19:59 PM PST by Txsleuth (FREEPATHON TIME--Please become a monthly or dollar a day donor!!)
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To: sdnet
The real problem with our health care system is the bed blockers!

Young ones!

Old ones!

But don't worry, universal health care will put an end to all that.

31 posted on 01/05/2007 3:34:52 PM PST by oblomov (Progress is precisely that which the rules and regulations did not foresee. - von Mises)
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To: sdnet
Why not just sterilize the fat people?

And why let sick people have dignity?! Dignity is expensive!

32 posted on 01/05/2007 3:39:39 PM PST by oblomov (Progress is precisely that which the rules and regulations did not foresee. - von Mises)
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To: pleikumud

Well said. I am completely against this notion of free medical for all.


33 posted on 01/05/2007 3:50:09 PM PST by pinz-n-needlez (Jack Bauer wears Tony Snow pajamas)
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To: sdnet

34 posted on 01/05/2007 4:17:11 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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35 posted on 01/05/2007 4:24:30 PM PST by Alia
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To: MagUSNRET

Ping


36 posted on 01/05/2007 4:27:28 PM PST by pinz-n-needlez (Jack Bauer wears Tony Snow pajamas)
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To: Txsleuth

Not really, they'll just raise taxes to cover it.


37 posted on 01/05/2007 4:34:43 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: pinz-n-needlez

I'm with you. I'll have to learn how to grow my own herbs and make my own homeopathic remedies from them.


38 posted on 01/05/2007 4:36:42 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Arizona Carolyn

I'm amazed at all of the 30 somethings I know who are on anti-depressants.

A friend told me that she had seen an article about a link between anti-depressants and fibromyalgia. I can't vouch for that.

But I learned a couple weeks ago that several of the 30 somethings I know who have fibro (and are on permanent disability) are now taking pain meds which include opiates. The medical system is now a permanent fixture of their lives, at great expense to them and to all of us.

There must be a better way to respond to illnesses.

I shudder to think what that group of people will be going through, medically, financially and emotionally, when they are my age... mid 50's. :-(


39 posted on 01/05/2007 4:54:26 PM PST by pinz-n-needlez (Jack Bauer wears Tony Snow pajamas)
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To: pinz-n-needlez

Do you think that is really a disease??

I mean, my goodness, for them to get permanent disability, it is odd that this isn't a "well known" disease.


40 posted on 01/05/2007 5:57:03 PM PST by Txsleuth (FREEPATHON TIME--Please become a monthly or dollar a day donor!!)
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To: Txsleuth

Do you mean is fibro really a disease?


41 posted on 01/05/2007 6:33:42 PM PST by pinz-n-needlez (Jack Bauer wears Tony Snow pajamas)
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To: pinz-n-needlez

Wasn't there a disease, that was getting a lot of publicity a few years ago....and the symptoms were very vague, and the doctors didn't really know what was the cause, or the cure.

They pretty much threw everything at a patient to see what would work...

I can't remember the name...but, when you said you knew a lot of 30 year olds that are on anti-depressents and having that diagnosis...I thought that might be it.


42 posted on 01/05/2007 7:15:05 PM PST by Txsleuth (FREEPATHON TIME--Please become a monthly or dollar a day donor!!)
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To: Txsleuth

Epstein-Barr was a virus/fatigue illness I remember from 10-15 years ago.

I'm not sure if Fibro is an actual disease, or a set of symptoms that has been given a name.

There sure seem to be a lot of people around here with it. We just moved here 7 years ago, so I haven't known these folks for more than 5 or 6 years.

They seem so sad and defeated, but it's hard to say which came first. The fact that they're all on opiates by prescription horrifies me. Where will they ever get the support and personal tools to get off those drugs and build a new life??? I doubt that they ever will.

Twice now I have been on the phone with a friend while she's picking up her prescriptions, and they won't give her all of them, because the opiates aren't due to be refilled for 3 more days!

None of them are the sort to look into alternatives much, or to look at journaling or meditation/prayer to find a different way to approach life to ease their pain or listen to their bodies. It's just so sad.


43 posted on 01/05/2007 7:25:06 PM PST by pinz-n-needlez (Jack Bauer wears Tony Snow pajamas)
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To: pinz-n-needlez

I think it is the same "syndrome" perhaps...that make people not want to take the time to win the war in Iraq.

Our generation came in on the start of the instant gratification wave....drugs, drinking...dropping in, dropping out...whatever felt good at the time.

No worries about tomorrow...live for today..

I think that has gone to the more "involved" generation of the 30 somethings..that have everything they need at their fingertips...via the computer, cellphone, blackberry.

They don't have to physically work for anything...so I think the lack of physical activity affects the mental ability to cope somehow.

The men and women in the military are physical beings..they work hard...and they are clear thinkers.

I may be off on a train of thought that is kooky or just flat wrong...but, at least to ME it makes SOME sense.

I guess I sort of went the opposite of you...talking about journaling and meditation....I went more outwardly active...and you went more inwardly calming.

Maybe a combination of the two??? LOL

Sorry if this post is bizarre, I think I got carried away.


44 posted on 01/05/2007 7:46:13 PM PST by Txsleuth (FREEPATHON TIME--Please become a monthly or dollar a day donor!!)
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To: Txsleuth

Actually, I *do* think we're on the same wave length. These folks sit and think how miserable they are and how much they hurt. That why I mentioned that I haven't known them too long, I don't know which came first, the pain or the sedentary life style.

You remind me of something that hit me yesterday... I was driving to a friend's house, listening to NPR. a reporter was interviewing geriatric sex offenders (Who comes up with these assignments???). These men were saying that they didn't have such problems when they were younger, just as they moved through and beyond midlife.

It came to me in a flash that we now are on our 3rd generation of couch potatoes, people who are used to the tube providing their mental stimulation and entertainment. Before TV, people made their own fun, with hobbies, or reading or socializing.

Model airplanes kits aren't produced anymore, because no one builds them... When you spend your youth watching the tube, you have no interests or challenges that you set for yourself just for fun.

At some point, the tube *has* to get boring. Porn may fill that titillation gap for awhile, but then it needs to escalate to meet the need for novelty.

So I see all these people bored, with nothing to do, and only trouble presenting itself. We're in for a sad future all around if we don't think up something.


45 posted on 01/05/2007 7:55:30 PM PST by pinz-n-needlez (Jack Bauer wears Tony Snow pajamas)
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To: pinz-n-needlez
Oh, you don't even want to get me started on the health care industry, particulary the reasearch end and the brainwashing they are doing to doctors... nowdays, there is a drug for everything and then a drug for the side effects of the drugs.... and now, a vaccination for everything and they are coming up with more every day.

Most dogs already have had their health ruined by this overkill philosophy. I heard today Pfizer now has a diet pill for canines--- which all they really need is an owner that feeds them a proper diet (not kibble) and feeds them an appropriate amount of food, instead of a humongous portion and lots of treats, and exercise them more...

And when you consider they have much shorter lifespans, the human population is behind the curve, but not by much.

46 posted on 01/05/2007 8:03:28 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Txsleuth
Yes, Fibromyalgia is a real disease. It's an autoimmune disease and in the same family as Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, Rheumatoid Arthritis, Lupus, etc... They are all linked to the virus that killed the little boy in the bubble (the boy Travolta played years ago)... very long, but interesting history behind these diseases and most doctors never even give it a thought from the holistic viewpoint, instead hand out pain pills and (in many cases) prednisone.

It IS manageable, but it requires diligence and a complete change in lifestyle. I know all this because I have Lupus and have been in remission for 12 years through a huge diet change and the right supplements. Our summer sun gives me some problems, but I've learned to live with it.

47 posted on 01/05/2007 8:08:00 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Arizona Carolyn

When I took my cat in a for a rabies shot last week, the vet asked me to sign a form acknowledging that the vaccine medium could cause tumors, unless I used a more expensive version without the additives...

I wonder how many pediatricians tell their patients similar information....

I don't want to bring out the arguers, but I'd love to explore some of these issues, and alternative treatments. ;-)


48 posted on 01/05/2007 8:08:04 PM PST by pinz-n-needlez (Jack Bauer wears Tony Snow pajamas)
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To: pinz-n-needlez

I know that when I was in school...we had PE every year.

I don't think they do that anymore.

Plus, we had one TV, and that was what my Dad wanted to watch...so we played outside..rode bikes...read books.

I think a lot of it is an expectation of a life that is unattainable to some. They see skinny models, American Idols...sports stars...and some people think that they "should" have more..and have a fun life like they think the celebs have.

Face it..our country has turned to liberal mush!!!


49 posted on 01/05/2007 8:09:14 PM PST by Txsleuth (FREEPATHON TIME--Please become a monthly or dollar a day donor!!)
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To: Arizona Carolyn; pinz-n-needlez

WOW, AC....here pinz and I were trying to figure it out..and you have the answer. I love freepers!

I hate to hear about the Lupus...I knew a lady that had it..and she was miserable. I also know that prednisone is a whole bad experience on it's own.

I am so glad you have been able to treat yours holistically.


I know one thing...socialized medicine will make RX junkies out of more people...not less.


50 posted on 01/05/2007 8:12:39 PM PST by Txsleuth (FREEPATHON TIME--Please become a monthly or dollar a day donor!!)
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