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Treatment has sheik wary of returning home
The Australian ^ | January 06, 2007 | Martin Chulov

Posted on 01/05/2007 5:13:20 PM PST by Fred Nerks

A dangerous divide is forcing Australian Muslims to abandon their homes, says Sydney cleric Feiz Mohamed in Lebanon reports Middle East correspondent Martin Chulov ----------

AUSTRALIA'S most influential firebrand cleric feels like an alien in his own country. And Sheik Feiz Mohamed is not alone. He believes a rising anti-Islamic tide has made Muslims wary of their countrymen, forcing at least eight families to abandon their homeland for the Middle East. From the foothills of his ancestral village in north Lebanon, the man with the most sway over the nation's Islamic youth says five years into the war on terror a dangerous divide exists here.

In a rare interview, Feiz, an Australian citizen, says he is apprehensive about returning home after spending more than 12 months in Lebanon caring for his ailing father.

"Imagine me going to the Opera House and taking photos," he says. "I can't walk through the airport without hundreds of eyes on me. They are like foxes trying to eat sheep.

"Before I left I was at a restaurant in Sutherland (in southern Sydney) with my wife, eating spaghetti, and we were like aliens from Mars. I said, 'Let's get out of here'.

"We are just human beings. I am not saying Australia is negative or not good, I am saying it has changed.

"There are about seven or eight families who have left in the last few months and many more who are planning to go."

(Excerpt) Read more at theaustralian.news.com.au ...


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He says he and the nation's two other fundamental clerics - Sheik Mohammed Omran in Melbourne and Sydney's Sheik Abdul Salem Mohammed Zoud - offered a guarantee to safeguard their homeland from radicalism and the anger of Muslim youth that simmers over "the evil ways of the American regime".
1 posted on 01/05/2007 5:13:22 PM PST by Fred Nerks
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To: Fred Nerks

Cry me a river.


2 posted on 01/05/2007 5:16:14 PM PST by taxcontrol
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To: Fred Nerks

Meanwhile if I were found heading into Mecca I could be killed for it under the laws of Saudi Arabia.


3 posted on 01/05/2007 5:16:21 PM PST by cripplecreek (Peace without victory is a temporary illusion.)
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To: Fred Nerks
"We are just human beings. I am not saying Australia is negative or not good, I am saying it has changed.

too bad he doesn't believe inifdels are human beings.

4 posted on 01/05/2007 5:16:48 PM PST by pipecorp ( Al Lahsucks boat steersman hell)
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To: Fred Nerks
"Imagine me going to the Opera House and taking photos," he says. "I can't walk through the airport without hundreds of eyes on me. They are like foxes trying to eat sheep.

Yeah, sucks to be a devil-inspired death cultist.

5 posted on 01/05/2007 5:17:42 PM PST by Spirochete
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To: Fred Nerks

One needs to develop a legal framework for stripping citizenship even from born citizens.


6 posted on 01/05/2007 5:19:47 PM PST by GSlob
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To: GSlob
One needs to develop a legal framework for stripping citizenship even from born citizens.

Well, they do in Saudi Arabia but I don't know if we want to be like them.

7 posted on 01/05/2007 5:20:38 PM PST by Tamar1973 (Making every thread a Star Wars thread, one post at a time!!!)
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To: Fred Nerks
"...He believes a rising anti-Islamic tide has made Muslims wary of their countrymen, forcing at least eight families to abandon their homeland for the Middle East..."

Reap and sow!!

8 posted on 01/05/2007 5:20:40 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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SHEIKH MOHAMMAD OMRAN: We choose to come to Australia as Australia welcomed us to come. You didn't choose to come to Australia anyhow. And we believe we have more rights than you because we choose Australia to be our country and you didn't. So don't come to me now because you are the majority or you are in the power now to say to me, "Well, this is only my way or the highway". I won't accept that.

http://sixtyminutes.ninemsn.com.au/sixtyminutes/stories/2005_07_24/story_1455.asp

9 posted on 01/05/2007 5:22:40 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf download. Link on my bio page.)
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To: Fred Nerks

Is he the only one who cant figure out why no one trusts Muslims?


10 posted on 01/05/2007 5:23:03 PM PST by sgtbono2002 (Peace through strength.)
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To: Fred Nerks

It's called assimilation, or "when in Rome, do as the Romans". If you cant adjust to the native culture, go somewhere else.


11 posted on 01/05/2007 5:23:23 PM PST by operation clinton cleanup
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To: Fred Nerks

More good news from Down Under!


12 posted on 01/05/2007 5:25:01 PM PST by ishabibble (ALL-AMERICAN INFIDEL)
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Clerics still preaching hatred of West

Richard Kerbaj

theaustralian.news

MUSLIM clerics in Sydney and Melbourne - led by radicals Sheik Mohammed Omran and Sheik Abdul Salam Mohammed Zoud - are still preaching hatred against the West, urging followers in Arabic to resist peace and support insurgents waging war against Australian soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan.

In open defiance of John Howard's proposed new terror laws and the Prime Minister's demand that Muslim leaders desist from inflammatory rhetoric, Lakemba cleric Sheik Zoud has used his Friday prayer meetings over the past month to praise Muslim fighters.

"Allah yinsur el-mujaheddin fe-Iraq (God grant victory to the mujaheddin in Iraq)," he repeatedly screamed during a 35-minute Arabic sermon at Lakemba's Haldon Street prayer hall in Sydney's southwest last week.

In further contempt of Mr Howard, Sheik Zoud's high-profile counterpart in Melbourne, Sheik Omran, also declared last month: "No victory (for Islam's brothers and sisters) can be stopped by George Bush or Tony Blair or John Howard."

http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/RichardKerbaj51106.htm

13 posted on 01/05/2007 5:27:10 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf download. Link on my bio page.)
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To: Tamar1973

Depends on how it is done, I suppose - like observance of property rights etc. Even in democratic Athens they used to have "ostracism".


14 posted on 01/05/2007 5:27:52 PM PST by GSlob
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To: Fred Nerks

boo hoo


15 posted on 01/05/2007 5:28:03 PM PST by Mercat
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To: GSlob; Tamar1973

then do more of this type of justice. Remember that word?

16 posted on 01/05/2007 5:28:37 PM PST by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: Fred Nerks
They are like foxes trying to eat sheep

Or maybe like cats going after raw, uncovered meat? Maybe this guy should cover himself when he goes out in public so as to prevent tempting others to stare.

17 posted on 01/05/2007 5:30:37 PM PST by The Blitherer (I am not worried about the deficit. It is big enough to take care of itself. -Reagan)
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To: Fred Nerks

Jesus... The media just shills for these people. It's sickening!


18 posted on 01/05/2007 5:31:30 PM PST by SunStar (Democrats piss me off!)
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To: Fred Nerks

This article is outrageous. I'm convinced that if you are pi**ing off a muslim, you are doing something right.


19 posted on 01/05/2007 5:32:21 PM PST by fat city (What part of cognitive dissonance don't you understand?)
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To: Fred Nerks
In a rare interview, Feiz, an Australian citizen, says he is apprehensive
about returning home after spending more than 12 months in Lebanon
caring for his ailing father.


Why the h-ll is he in Australia?
When his ailing father is in Lebanon?

I guess spreading Jihad in an infidel country trumps looking after
one's aging parent in the Islamic Playbook.
20 posted on 01/05/2007 5:34:36 PM PST by VOA
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To: Fred Nerks

Maybe I misunderstood. Maybe the guy is still in Lebanon.
Hope he stays.


21 posted on 01/05/2007 5:35:54 PM PST by VOA
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To: Fred Nerks

Look what the terrorists did to you.

Criticize THEM.


22 posted on 01/05/2007 5:36:30 PM PST by bannie
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To: Fred Nerks
"There are about seven or eight families who have left in the last few months and many more who are planning to go."

EXCELLENT! Do not despise the day of small beginnings.

23 posted on 01/05/2007 5:37:25 PM PST by Bronzewound
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To: Fred Nerks
And Sheik Feiz Mohamed is not alone. He believes a rising anti-Islamic tide has made Muslims wary of their countrymen, forcing at least eight families to abandon their homeland for the Middle East.

That's a good start. Don't give up there, Australia!

24 posted on 01/05/2007 5:38:32 PM PST by kstewskis ("Tolerance is what happens when one loses their priniciples"....Fr. A. Saenz)
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To: Fred Nerks

It works!


25 posted on 01/05/2007 5:40:04 PM PST by Let's Roll ("...given the choice between war and dishonor. You chose dishonor - you will have war"- W.Churchill)
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To: Fred Nerks

Well Feiz, it seems to me that you and your pals should have stood up and joined the good guys a long time ago.

So, it just plain sucks to be you, huh....(yawn).


26 posted on 01/05/2007 5:40:49 PM PST by Gator113
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To: Fred Nerks

Typical Muslim egotism and BS. I hope he gets out and stays out


27 posted on 01/05/2007 5:43:05 PM PST by dennisw (Don't let your past become your future -- Georges Gurdjieff)
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To: Fred Nerks
"Feiz, an Australian citizen, says he is apprehensive about returning home after spending more than 12 months in Lebanon caring for his ailing father."

I have friends who are Lebanese and Iranian/Armenian muslims. They visit both places as and when necessary. They do not see the tribal antagonisms and violence there the same way that we (European Americans) do - its pretty much an accepted part of life.

BUT they are damn happy to get back here and they do NOT feel any apprehension in returning no matter how long they've been gone.

28 posted on 01/05/2007 5:44:58 PM PST by norton
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To: VOA

you have to read it several times...he was speaking from Lebanon. The muslim Lebanese are the greatest pack of whingers on this planet, most of them have dual citizenship, they collect welfare payments from Australia and live in Lebanon. Their 'youths' roam in packs in Sydney - for example:

http://www.hvk.org/articles/0104/64.html

Tim Priest: Don’t turn a blind eye to terror in our midst

Great Article!


29 posted on 01/05/2007 5:46:14 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf download. Link on my bio page.)
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And we believe we have more rights than you because we choose Australia to be our country and you didn't.

Only the illogic of Islam could come up with a steaming pile like this.

So don't come to me now because you are the majority or you are in the power now to say to me, "Well, this is only my way or the highway". I won't accept that.

Isn't this what Islam is telling the rest of the world?

30 posted on 01/05/2007 5:47:20 PM PST by Bronzewound
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To: norton
...they are damn happy to get back here and they do NOT feel any apprehension in returning no matter how long they've been gone.

that's probably because the islamofascist imam hadn't got to them in time to tell them what to say and think...

31 posted on 01/05/2007 5:53:22 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf download. Link on my bio page.)
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To: GSlob

most of them hold dual citizenship...


32 posted on 01/05/2007 5:56:39 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf download. Link on my bio page.)
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To: Fred Nerks
"We are just human beings. ..."

No you are not...you are Muslims!

33 posted on 01/05/2007 6:04:07 PM PST by Redleg Duke (Heaven is home...I am just TDY here!)
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To: SunStar
...The media just shills for these people. It's sickening!

funny, I don't see it that way, Martin Chulov for the Australian newspaper (Rupert Murdoch) writes the content of the interview and allows us to make up our own minds. The kicker is in the following statement...we recognise the implication - it's blackmail:

He says he and the nation's two other fundamental clerics - Sheik Mohammed Omran in Melbourne and Sydney's Sheik Abdul Salem Mohammed Zoud - offered a guarantee to safeguard their homeland from radicalism and the anger of Muslim youth that simmers over "the evil ways of the American regime".

34 posted on 01/05/2007 6:06:28 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf download. Link on my bio page.)
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To: All
They ought to offer the muzzies to submit to a test to see whether they can stay in Austrlia:

Drop into pond full of adult 'Salties' that haven't fed in 3 months. If they make it to the other side, they get to stay...

Or they can just refuse the test and get a one-way ticket to Saudi Arabia...

35 posted on 01/05/2007 6:22:35 PM PST by Al Simmons (When you are going through hell, keep going! - Winston S. Churchill)
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To: Fred Nerks
"There are about seven or eight families who have left in the last few months and many more who are planning to go."

Good news for Australia. Keep up the good work, guys.

36 posted on 01/05/2007 6:23:40 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: fat city
I'm convinced that if you are pi**ing off a muslim, you are doing something right.

Or, you might simply be breathing and walking around minding your own business.

37 posted on 01/05/2007 6:26:40 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: norton

[This article was published in the 18th issue of Nida'ul Islam
magazine April - May 1997]


Preserving The
Islamic Identity in The West

Threats & Solutions

excerpt:

It is therefore unavoidable that as long as we live here we will, through a process of cultural osmosis, take on some of the characteristics of the Kuffar. The likeness of Islam and Kuffar is like that o f fresh clear spring water and water brought up from the bottom of a suburban sewer. If even a drop of the filthy water enters the clear water, the clarity diminishes. Likewise it only takes a drop of the filth of disbelief to contaminate Islam in the West. If we have it within our means we should therefore consider moving to a Muslim land whereby we can at least live amongst our brethren and within an Islamic society free from the contamination of the disbelievers.


By Br. Amir Abdullah

http://web.archive.org/web/20041024220339/http://www.islam.org.au/articles/18/identity.htm.old

(hopefully, they'll listen and go back to where they came from.)


38 posted on 01/05/2007 6:42:53 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf download. Link on my bio page.)
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To: hinckley buzzard

Fraser was warned on LebaneseBy Matthew Franklin
January 01, 2007

IMMIGRATION authorities warned the Fraser government in 1976 it was accepting too many Lebanese Muslim refugees without "the required qualities" for successful integration.

The Fraser cabinet was also told many of the refugees were unskilled, illiterate and had questionable character and standards of personal hygiene.

Cabinet documents released today by the National Archives under the 30-year rule reveal how Australia's decision to accept thousands of Lebanese Muslims fleeing Lebanon's 1976 civil war led to a temporary collapse of normal eligibility standards.

The emergence of the documents raises the question of whether the temporary relaxation might have contributed to contemporary racial tensions in Sydney's southwest, which exploded a year ago into race-based riots in Cronulla...

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,20996027-2,00.html


39 posted on 01/05/2007 6:59:14 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf download. Link on my bio page.)
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To: Fred Nerks

Here in the States, we have laws against inciting riots or advocating the violent overthrow of the government. Have anything similar Down Under?


40 posted on 01/05/2007 7:18:04 PM PST by RebelBanker (May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.)
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To: RebelBanker
I'm sure glad to see Australia is making progress with the war on terror. Can they charter some planes or a big boat to speed the exodus?
41 posted on 01/05/2007 7:22:47 PM PST by oldenuff2no
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To: Fred Nerks

How can we replicate this in the U.S?


42 posted on 01/05/2007 7:30:43 PM PST by manic4organic
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To: oldenuff2no

Send the muzzies to sand-land where they belong and send some courage up here so we start doing the same. Think it could be secretly added to the Fosters? I doubt that enough of us eat Vegemite to make a difference.


43 posted on 01/05/2007 7:33:57 PM PST by RebelBanker (May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.)
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To: Fred Nerks
What you fail to realize is that the 'average' immigrant from muslim countries still sees the Sunni/Shiite, Lebanon/Syria, etc. situation as a regional issue.

The protesting cab drivers and irate imams here in the west are political animals, they'd be outraged democrats if their folks had been Lutheran.

Our problem is that we have given them and the socialists that quietly or openly support them a free pass to do so.......no body has as yet slapped them up'side the face!

[mexican aliens get the same freebies - with similar results]

There are muslims here in the US who accept all of our precepts except for support to Israel and they are part of the same society as you, me, Robert Byrd, and Jerry Falwell - the only one in that list I agree with is - me.

For my part, I'd level every mosque on the continent and I'd deport any islamist cabbie who had rejected a sober & nonbelligerent customer.

But - the point of my reply - being afraid to return to the US is NOT typical of muslim travelers.

Please do not reply, I've seen too many of your posts and should have noted the personality rather than the content of the post.

44 posted on 01/05/2007 7:38:50 PM PST by norton
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To: RebelBanker

Haven't experienced anything yet that makes me even think about it...one does need a permit to stage a demonstration, and the police are all over it. Our security services (ASIO) are keeping their eyes on the trouble makers, several of whom are under house arrest, many are in jail awaiting trial. Remember, out of 20 million Australians, we only have some 350,000 muslims, and the new laws in place for intending immigrants are very tight.
The government has been very quietly deporting non-citizens to their home countries...

Aside from the '4,000 Youth Group Members' that the Lebanese are threatening us with, who are mostly welfare recipient gang members dealing drugs and stealing cars, or harrassing locals (when they aren't being locked up for 45 years for taking part in pack-rapes...) we seem to have a good handle on things.

Their numbers are still too small for 'riots or advocating the violent overthrow of the government' - they have to make do with being a pain in the A$$ and insulting us at every opportunity. (We give back good or better than, we aren't at all PC.)

Over-all, the clerics and the loudmouths have made a laughing stock of themselves. I'll post a few more links to bring you up to date on the wonderful world of islam in Oz.


45 posted on 01/05/2007 7:40:58 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf download. Link on my bio page.)
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To: RebelBanker

Australia Police Arrested 17 Terror Suspects In Raids
By Robert Raffaele
Washington, DC
08 November 2005

Police in Australia say they have foiled a plot to carry out a major terror attack, following the arrest of 17 men in raids in Australia's two largest cities. A radical Muslim cleric known for praising Osama bin Laden is among the captured suspects. He is charged with masterminding the plot. VOA's Robert Raffaele has more.

More than 500 police were involved in raids across Sydney and Melbourne. Eight men were arrested in Sydney, another nine in Melbourne. Authorities seized weapons, computers, chemicals, and backpacks.

New South Wales Police Commissioner Ken Moroney said possible bomb-making materials were found. Prosecutors say the items are similar to those used in July's terror attacks in London.

"The linkages appeared to be common in the sense of the chemicals that appeared to have been used in London and the chemicals which we will allege were being gathered, or being sought, here both in New South Wales and Victoria."

Prosecutors say the suspects are committed to violent jihad against Australians.

Supporters of the suspects clashed with television cameramen outside courthouses in Melbourne and Sydney, and

Rob Starry, an attorney for eight of the Melbourne suspects, said they were not charged with terrorism. "Although it's been suggested that they've been charged in the planning and preparation of a terrorist offense, that's not reflected in these charges, and it's not reflected in the interrogations that we know so far."

One of the Melbourne suspects is the alleged mastermind, Abu Bakr, an Algerian-Australian Muslim cleric who has been quoted as saying he would violate his faith if he did not encourage his students to join the jihad, or holy war, in Iraq.

Australia has never been hit by a major terror attack, but its citizens have been targeted overseas, particularly in neighboring Indonesia, where dozens of Australians have been killed in bomb blasts since 2002.

Last week, Prime Minister John Howard rushed through Parliament an amendment to terror laws he said would strengthen police powers to arrest anyone plotting attacks.

Melbourne police say those new powers allowed them to carry out Tuesday's raids.


46 posted on 01/05/2007 7:52:13 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf download. Link on my bio page.)
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One of the Melbourne suspects is the alleged mastermind, Abu Bakr, an Algerian-Australian Muslim cleric who has been quoted as saying he would violate his faith if he did not encourage his students to join the jihad, or holy war, in Iraq.

47 posted on 01/05/2007 7:56:23 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf download. Link on my bio page.)
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To: Fred Nerks

According to published sources, we have about 1.5 million muslims in the US out of a total population of about 300 million, or about 0.5%. This is actually a smaller proportion than the 1.75% you stated for Oz. However, they are plenty loud and plenty obnoxious when they are in groups!


48 posted on 01/05/2007 7:56:36 PM PST by RebelBanker (May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.)
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To: Fred Nerks

You mean you "Skips" actually deport people?


49 posted on 01/05/2007 7:58:03 PM PST by Clemenza (Put down that coffee! Coffee is for closers!)
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To: norton
BUT they are damn happy to get back here and they do NOT feel any apprehension in returning no matter how long they've been gone.

OK, don't get your knickers twisted, that's the line I responded to, I didn't realize you were referring to the UNITED STATES, the article I posted relates to AUSTRALIA! And so do my replies...now, as to my personality, what's THAT GOT TO DO WITH IT? I rarely make personal comments. I post information. With sources.

50 posted on 01/05/2007 8:03:53 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf download. Link on my bio page.)
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