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Vatican comes out of the closet and embraces Oscar
The Times Online ^ | January 05, 2007 | Richard Owen

Posted on 01/06/2007 5:47:17 AM PST by Condor 63

Oscar Wilde, poet, playwright, gay icon and deathbed convert to Catholicism, has been paid a rare tribute by the Vatican. His aphorisms are quoted in a collection of maxims and witticisms for Christians that has been published by one of the Pope’s closest aides.

Wilde (1854-1900) had long been regarded with distaste by the Vatican — a dissolute and disgraced homosexual who was sentenced for acts of gross indecency over his relationship with Lord Alfred Douglas.

The book, compiled by Father Leonardo Sapienza, head of protocol at the Vatican, includes such Wildean gems as “I can resist everything except temptation” and “The only way to get rid of a temptation is yield to it” — hardly orthodox Catholic teaching.

(Excerpt) Read more at timesonline.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: oscarwilde; vatican
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1 posted on 01/06/2007 5:47:19 AM PST by Condor 63
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To: Condor 63

for later


2 posted on 01/06/2007 5:53:42 AM PST by Jaded ("I have a mustard- seed; and I am not afraid to use it."- Joseph Ratzinger)
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To: Jaded

I always enjoyed Wilde's aphorisms but never considered them as guides to Chistian living. As another one of my favorite philosophers once said, "the times they are a-changin'"...


3 posted on 01/06/2007 6:04:04 AM PST by Russ
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To: Russ

Dorian Gray is good, but this selection is rather strange. Wilde was quite funny at times but superficial. Compared to Chesterton, Wilde is a flyweight.


4 posted on 01/06/2007 6:20:49 AM PST by sine_nomine (Bush and Congress: Build the border fence - it's in the Constitution - foreign invasion, etc.)
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To: Condor 63
"We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars."

That seems a very Christian sentiment to me.

-ccm

5 posted on 01/06/2007 7:13:57 AM PST by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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To: Condor 63

Lets not forget that Lord Alfred Douglas (Wilde's lover and the man for whom Wilde sacrificed everything) refused to send Wilde any sort of financial assistance when the writer was impoverished and dying. So much for homosexual love.


6 posted on 01/06/2007 7:16:06 AM PST by quadrant
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To: Condor 63

Deathbed conversion to Catholicism....I had NO idea!!


7 posted on 01/06/2007 7:30:37 AM PST by Suzy Quzy
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To: Suzy Quzy

Deathbed conversions come pretty cheap IMO. LOL


8 posted on 01/06/2007 7:32:22 AM PST by Condor 63
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To: Condor 63

It actually shows great common sense.


9 posted on 01/06/2007 7:33:38 AM PST by Suzy Quzy
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To: Suzy Quzy

Not for those who aren't lucky enough to live long enough to make it to a deathbed. ;-)


10 posted on 01/06/2007 7:37:53 AM PST by Condor 63
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To: Condor 63
Wilde's Ballad of Reading Gaol is a microcosm of the man. It contains an occasional gem when it manages to escape from the sordid muck of self-pity.

Wilde brought all of his troubles on himself. Not only was he queer, he reveled in it, wallowed in it, flashed it at cocktail parties from behind his greatcoat. Then he has the unmitigated gall to suggest that "society" is somehow wrong for being offended.

A brilliant man, perhaps, although I tend to agree that he was more gadfly than eagle. However, his tragic devotion to iconoclasm does give rise to some apothegmatic ideals that are worth considering.

11 posted on 01/06/2007 7:40:12 AM PST by IronJack (=)
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To: Condor 63
>Deathbed conversions come pretty cheap IMO

Didn't this fellow
repent at the end? I hope
the Vatican's not

laying the groundwork
quoting Oscar to one day
do quotes from this guy . . .

12 posted on 01/06/2007 7:45:10 AM PST by theFIRMbss
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To: Condor 63

I saw this in a priest's office: Celibacy is not hereditary.


13 posted on 01/06/2007 7:54:32 AM PST by Spok (He who bites the hands that feeds him will lick the boot that kicks him.)
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To: IronJack
Wilde brought all of his troubles on himself. Not only was he queer, he reveled in it, wallowed in it, flashed it at cocktail parties from behind his greatcoat. Then he has the unmitigated gall to suggest that "society" is somehow wrong for being offended.

Given that "offending" society meant being thrown in jail for two years of hard labor, he could have done a lot more than suggest.

14 posted on 01/06/2007 7:56:38 AM PST by SpringheelJack
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To: theFIRMbss

Anybody can repent. Everybody needs a Savior. Osama bin Laden could repent and become a Christian, too. And it is not for human creatures to judge who is or isn't a Christian. (though their actions could suggest whether or not they are a Christian).


15 posted on 01/06/2007 7:59:52 AM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( WND, NewsMax, Townhall.com, and Drudge Report are not valid news sources.)
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To: Condor 63
It would have been odd to not include his quotes. Look at the title of the book:

Provocations: Aphorisms for an Anti-conformist Christianity
16 posted on 01/06/2007 8:00:01 AM PST by July 4th (A vacant lot cancelled out my vote for Bush.)
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To: Condor 63

"Embraced" him just because he's quoted in a book?

Oh, pul-eeze...


17 posted on 01/06/2007 8:04:31 AM PST by BlessedBeGod (Benedict XVI = Terminator IV)
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To: SpringheelJack
Given that "offending" society meant being thrown in jail for two years of hard labor, he could have done a lot more than suggest.

And he would have been proportionally more wrong.

18 posted on 01/06/2007 8:05:21 AM PST by IronJack (=)
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To: Condor 63

Oscar Wilde is a mixed bag. Anyone who takes him for a role model is an idiot. But the signs of his attraction to Catholicism run through his work. "The Ballad of Reading Gaol" is a splendid work.

Perhaps the greatest work from a religious standpoint is his late work, "De Profundis." The title is a good indication of how Wilde is best understood as a religious writer, as its title echoes Psalm 130, the great psalm of despair, repentance, and forgiveness:




Out of the depths have I cried unto thee, O LORD.

Lord, hear my voice: let thine ears be attentive to the voice of my supplications.

If thou, LORD, shouldest mark iniquities, O Lord, who shall stand?

But there is forgiveness with thee, that thou mayest be feared.

I wait for the LORD, my soul doth wait, and in his word do I hope.

My soul waiteth for the Lord more than they that watch for the morning: I say, more than they that watch for the morning.

Let Israel hope in the LORD: for with the LORD there is mercy, and with him is plenteous redemption.

And he shall redeem Israel from all his iniquities.


19 posted on 01/06/2007 9:59:09 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: sine_nomine

That is my view. How Wilde ever got into the Canons of English literature baffles me. The body of his work runs from A to B. A few lightweight comedies as social satire. A novel and some dismal poetry. The rest is mincing posture. Read a biography of Wilde and came to the conclusion he was the Paris Hilton of his time. Famous for being famous. In 50 years time the same thing will be said of Truman Capote and Norman Mailer.

Narcissism doesn't travel well...


20 posted on 01/06/2007 10:22:03 AM PST by tomcorn
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