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Democrats Take Control On Hill (Senator Johnson Update)
Washington Post ^ | 5 January 2007 | Jonathan Weisman and Shailagh Murray

Posted on 01/07/2007 9:17:28 AM PST by shrinkermd

This is a long article but the part most interesting to many Freepers is as follows:

The Senate margin is even more tenuous because Sen. Tim Johnson (D-S.D.) is sidelined after emergency brain surgery.

Republican leaders decided not to seek special language spelling out the terms of a transition in case of a power shift -- say, if Johnson vacates his post and his state's GOP governor appoints a Republican to replace him. Under that scenario, power would effectively shift to Republicans, because Cheney would provide the tiebreaking 51st vote. But for Republicans to take parliamentary control, the Senate would have to vote for new organizational rules, a move Democrats could filibuster.

A similar scenario unfolded in January 2001, when a 50-50 Senate convened. In 2001, Democrats demanded a "kick-out clause" in organizing negotiations that would automatically scrap agreements on committee ratios and funding levels and force new organizational rules. But Republicans decided this month against a confrontation that would come from demanding a similar clause.

"Nobody over here talked about that at all," said Don Stewart, spokesman for McConnell.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Politics/Elections; US: South Dakota
KEYWORDS: congress; rules; senate; senjohnson
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As I read this, it seems to mean regardless of the outcome of Senator Johnson's tenure, the outcome would remain the same--RAT Senate for the next 2 years. Am I right?
1 posted on 01/07/2007 9:17:29 AM PST by shrinkermd
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To: shrinkermd
No, you are not right.

The Democrats would never filibuster a move for realignment should Johnson die, because Republicans would just prevent a quorum. The Senate would be effectively closed for business.

2 posted on 01/07/2007 9:22:18 AM PST by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: shrinkermd

Yes, it seems you are right. This falls under the recent parliamentary "adjustment" whereby, if dims win elections, they are in charge and, when pubs win, the dims are still in charge.

This is more commonly termed the "who's your daddy?" provision offered up by republican "leadership" eager to be popular with the media and avoid having their milk money stolen by the Pelosi gang.


3 posted on 01/07/2007 9:23:44 AM PST by prov1813man (While the one you despise and ridicule works to protect you, those you embrace work to destroy you)
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To: Pukin Dog

While I understand your point... the Republicans just blinked and showed that they don't have the backbone for a fight in the Senate.


4 posted on 01/07/2007 9:24:26 AM PST by taxcontrol
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To: shrinkermd
Am I right?

Apparently so. It appears that, if Johnson is unable to fulfill his duties...and the GOP governor of South Dakota appoints a Republican to the seat, creating a 50/50 Senate...the Democrats will filibuster a rules change...and the Republicans are content to remain in the minority for the duration.

Mitch McConnell was evidently unwilling to play Tom Daschle to Harry Reid's Trent Lott.

I've no idea why...but I'll guess: McConnell senses that, if the above scenario came to pass, at least one of the Senate's RINOs would do a Jim Jeffords.

5 posted on 01/07/2007 9:26:05 AM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: Pukin Dog
> ... Republicans would just prevent a quorum. The Senate would be effectively closed for business.

And this would be bad, because,.... uh, why??

"My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them." -- Barry Goldwater

(Only half joking...)

6 posted on 01/07/2007 9:29:36 AM PST by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: taxcontrol
No, and this is something FReepers need to learn.

Just because you don't see the punch coming, doesn't mean it wasn't thrown. Our side is much too quick to assume that our side is doing nothing, just because we don't hear about it.

There are other ways to fight, than "in-your-face."
7 posted on 01/07/2007 9:34:26 AM PST by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: shrinkermd

8 posted on 01/07/2007 9:36:17 AM PST by newzjunkey (Social Security Agreement with Mexico Released: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1762624/post)
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To: Pukin Dog
Our side is much too quick to assume that our side is doing nothing, just because we don't hear about it.

There are other ways to fight, than "in-your-face."

You haven't been watching the GOP long, have you?

9 posted on 01/07/2007 9:38:08 AM PST by newzjunkey (Social Security & Mexico: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1762624/post)
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To: okie01

McConnell was talking on FOX this morning like some good legislation can come out of having the President GOP and the House and Senate Rats. For some reason Republican leaders seem to enjoy being stepped on.


10 posted on 01/07/2007 9:39:44 AM PST by conservative blonde (Let's call the Jr. Senator from Illinois by his full name, Barack Hussein Obama)
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To: newzjunkey

Good one LOL


11 posted on 01/07/2007 9:39:50 AM PST by canuck_conservative
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To: Pukin Dog
"There are other ways to fight, than "in-your-face."

Well and truly said.

But going to the mattresses now and again for a good old fashioned political shootout with no quarter asked or given clears the air and gives better political definition, I suggest.

13 posted on 01/07/2007 9:46:51 AM PST by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: taxcontrol
While I understand your point... the Republicans just blinked and showed that they don't have the backbone for a fight in the Senate.

Aaaarrrrgh..... when have they ever shown otherwise?

14 posted on 01/07/2007 9:48:17 AM PST by Rummyfan (Iraq: Give therapeutic violence a chance!)
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To: taxcontrol
"the Republicans just blinked and showed that they don't have the backbone for a fight in the Senate."

Or anywhere else. The GOP is a huge disappointment. It truly has become nothing more than the lessor of two evils.
15 posted on 01/07/2007 9:51:19 AM PST by MPJackal ("If you are not with us, you are against us.")
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To: Vespa crabro

you can't have a proxy vote if the person can't talk to give permission...


16 posted on 01/07/2007 9:54:44 AM PST by Jewels1091
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To: conservative blonde
...some good legislation can come out of...

Why is it that "good legislation" is something a GOP House and GOP Senate and GOP President couldn't get done?

The "good legislation" we're likely to get from a divided government -- in the spirit of "bipartisanship", of course -- frankly scares me.

17 posted on 01/07/2007 10:00:03 AM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: shrinkermd
All this means nothing. We are stuck with these insane RATS for at least 2 years and there is literally no way we can take back the House. So just settle back and enjoy the bugeyed RAT. She already instigated and changed a House rule that now allows a tax increase with just a simple majority. America is if for hell for two years. As far as the Senate, just forget it. You add the RINOS and the two Independents to the RATS, not a chance. Those yellow belly Republican voters got just what they wanted, utter chaos.
18 posted on 01/07/2007 10:00:07 AM PST by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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To: Pukin Dog
There are other ways to fight, than "in-your-face."

The GOP, now with 23% more of that Frenchiness.

19 posted on 01/07/2007 10:02:04 AM PST by cryptical (Wretched excess is just barely enough.)
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To: Pukin Dog
The issue here is not strategy but psychology.

Closing down the Senate means closing down the government.

This means that the "mass man" will see this as closing down God since the government and statism has decreed the government is more important than God. Somehow the MSM would find that the whales, women or senior citizens might suffer and the government would have to be reopened under the old rules.

Never forget that Mussolini is laughing at us someplace. In order to beat the fascist aggressor we psychologically identified with the aggressor; presently, Mussolini's adage "...All for the State; nothing outside the State; nothing against the State"is now the rallying cry for both the "mass man" and his cheer leader, the MSM.

Not kidding. No way will the Senate shut down over a rule advocating Pubbies rights.

20 posted on 01/07/2007 10:06:45 AM PST by shrinkermd
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