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Giuliani fears ex-wife will hit presidential bid
London Times ^ | 1/7/07 | London Times

Posted on 01/07/2007 11:46:24 AM PST by wagglebee

THERE is one woman who could cause Rudy Giuliani, the former New York mayor, more problems than Hillary Clinton in the race for the White House: she is Donna Hanover, his second wife, writes Sarah Baxter.

Hanover, an actress and broadcaster, was enraged by Giuliani’s flagrant infidelity towards the end of their 18-year marriage and the divorce case was vicious. Giuliani’s advisers fear that she could be a loose cannon in the 2008 campaign.

Giuliani was acclaimed as the “mayor of America” for his heroic role during the attacks on September 11, 2001 and is revered for his leadership. At the time he was living in the spare room of an apartment belonging to gay friends after Hanover forced him out of Gracie Mansion, the official residence.

Hanover refused to confirm that she would vote for Giuliani as mayor of New York even when she was married to him. “What kind of wife is that?” Raoul Felder, Giuliani’s lawyer, fumed. “She’s essentially saying she’s not going to vote for him.”

Hanover once stood outside a shower at Gracie Mansion, expecting to confront Judith Nathan, Giuliani’s mistress, now his third wife. In the event, a startled golfing friend of Giuliani’s emerged.

Hanover was also accused of a lack of sympathy while the former mayor was battling prostate cancer, by banishing him to a spare bedroom and exercising noisily on a treadmill at 5am.

New Yorkers relished the details of Giuliani’s larger-than-life personal story. But conservative “values voters” could be different, as Giuliani’s own aides noted in a 140-page memo leaked last week by supporters of a rival candidate.

The campaign dossier suggested that Hanover could be one of several potentially “insurmountable” vulnerabilities that could cause him to drop out of the race. It was an embarrassing start to a campaign that is not yet officially under way.

Giuliani’s record in fighting crime and terrorism has placed him at the top of several polls for the 2008 Republican nomination, edging out Senator John McCain in popular support. But the party base may be turned off by his support for abortion, immigration, gun control and gay rights (although not gay marriage). It is their votes that he needs to secure the nomination.

“It would be one thing if Giuliani could say, ‘I’m a strong social conservative in my private life’, but he can’t even say that,” said Ramesh Ponnuru, a conservative commentator and author of The Party of Death, an attack on social liberalism. “It’s not just the fact of his multiple marriages, it is the way the Hanover marriage melted down. It was operatic.”

When Giuliani met Hanover on a blind date in the early 1980s, his first marriage to Regina, his second cousin, was already over. Hanover, who went on to appear in the television series Ally McBeal, was a glamorous soulmate who seemed to enjoy the spotlight as much as he did.

They had two children, Andrew, 21, and Caroline, 17, but in 1996 Hanover stopped calling herself by his last name and a year later Vanity Fair magazine said that he was having an “intimate relationship” with a senior member of his staff.

In 2000, without telling Hanover first, Giuliani announced at a press conference that he was separating from her. She retaliated by accusing him of being unfaithful with the employee, but he was already with Nathan.

Maggie Gallagher, a family values campaigner, was outraged by Giuliani’s “scummy” performance, accusing him of making Bill Clinton “look good as a husband and father”.

New Yorkers learnt during the divorce case that their cancer- afflicted mayor was temporarily impotent and Hanover demanded a huge settlement, including £760 a month to care for Goalie, the family’s golden retriever.

Felder struck back, accusing Hanover of being an “uncaring mother” who was “howling like a stuck pig”.

In the end Giuliani, who was beginning to earn big consultancy fees after September 11, agreed to a settlement of $6.8m to avoid the full horror of a court case.

Hanover has married Ed Oster, her university sweetheart, and written a book, My Boyfriend’s Back, about rekindling an old romance. Even if she stays mum, there is enough in the public domain to rattle conservatives. Yet however vicious the personal attacks on Giuliani, they are unlikely to dent his reputation for competence. He did, after all, handle the September 11 attacks while bunking with gay friends in the midst of an affair and a divorce battle.


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008election; corrupt; donnahanover; exwife; giuliani; hitpiece; letch; nothanksrudy; rino; toomanywives
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
>>>>>Conservatives need to leave the social issues ALONE.

BULLoney! You're bound and determined to work at destroying the winning coalition of social and fiscal conservatives that Reagan built the GOP into during the second half of the 1970`s. IMO, that is a LOSER! Besides, Republicans haven't nominated a pro-abortion candidate for Prez since Gerald Ford in 1976. The social issues do matter.

251 posted on 01/07/2007 2:51:38 PM PST by Reagan Man (In 2007, its Conservatism versus Liberalism..... the choice is yours.)
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To: McGavin999

Will you post that link for me?


252 posted on 01/07/2007 2:52:10 PM PST by ansel12 (America, love it ,or at least give up your home citizenship before accepting ours too.)
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To: Torie
Illegal immigration may not be a signature social issue, like gay marriage or abortion, or creationism, or prayer in schools, but it sort of is.

The welfare plantation... cut taxes??? What a bunch of smoke and mirrors...

253 posted on 01/07/2007 2:52:17 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: mad puppy

She married her college sweetheart in 2003. She released a book and evidentally is very happy in her new life. My guess is she will not get involved, if only for the sake of their children.


254 posted on 01/07/2007 2:52:28 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
Good luck in the Democrat primary...

That makes no sense whatsoever. I'll be voting in the Republican primary.

255 posted on 01/07/2007 2:53:26 PM PST by paulat
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To: FastCoyote

Duncan Hunter was in New Hampshire today. I also heard Arnold is moving the California primary to February and some may actually move to the end of 2007!


256 posted on 01/07/2007 2:54:12 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

You post was just too elliptical for me, to fathom the thrust of your parry. I am sure you had some sort of point, but it just escaped me. Sorry.


257 posted on 01/07/2007 2:54:24 PM PST by Torie
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

Look at guys like John Wayne, Jimmy Stewart, etc.,

Glenn Ford served from WW2 to Vietnam, John Wayne did not serve in the military. But he was no leftist either.


258 posted on 01/07/2007 2:54:28 PM PST by padre35 (We are surrounded, that simplifies our problem Chesty Puller)
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To: freespirited

That's right!


259 posted on 01/07/2007 2:54:41 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Reagan Man; Extremely Extreme Extremist

How is turning a blind eye to illegal immigration fiscally conservative?

Turning this country into a third world welfare plantation will not reduce the size of government or taxes one bit...


260 posted on 01/07/2007 2:55:04 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: paulat
I'll be voting in the Republican primary.

And turning the general election into a second Democrat primary...

261 posted on 01/07/2007 2:56:40 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Torie

An NH poll is useless before Iowa. NH polls are notorious for going towards the leader and then against him after Iowa.

I am surprised at how much support Mitt is getting at this stage given the lack of name recognition compared to Rudy and McCain.


262 posted on 01/07/2007 2:57:11 PM PST by AmishDude (It doesn't matter whom you vote for. It matters who takes office.)
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To: calcowgirl

The story I read said Rudy thought this was his third cousin and was shocked to find out she was his second cousin.


263 posted on 01/07/2007 2:57:33 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Torie

Right now McCain is leading Rudy in NH 29/25%.


264 posted on 01/07/2007 2:58:02 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: McGavin999
we're in a war and it's going to take someone who is tough as nail and who is going to scare the CR*P out of the terrorists.


Of those who have already stepped forward and shown any interest in running for the office of President, who would fit that bill is Rudy. Within a couple of hours after the first plane hit on 9/11, Rudy stepped up to the plate and took charge. Besides being a leader he's also shown he can delegate and get the job done.

His previous marriages are in the past and he now seems to have met and married his soulmate. From what I've read and heard about his 2nd marriage, I'm surprised he stuck it out as long as he did with that unbalanced b****.

Those that keep posting the pictures of Rudy in drag either have a problem themselves and have forgotten how to have fun and laugh or haven't matured. Some of the funniest times and best laughs we had while active duty were when we would all cross-dress and put on a show for charity. Some people need to learn how to lighten up and relax.

I live in fear as to what will become of the future for America and her citizens and prayer that a proven leader such as Rudy will be the one to lead us out of the dark tunnel the commies on the left now in power are forcing us into.

IMO, after 24 years in DC and still a relative unknown Hunter does not have the Presidential quality that's needed when we are engaged in the most dangerous war of all times and our very lives depend on winning. If Hunter was the man, his name would have been on everyones lips long before now.
265 posted on 01/07/2007 2:59:56 PM PST by AmeriBrit
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To: AmishDude

Sometimes Iowa has NH as its boy toy, and sometimes not. It depends on the tone of the campaign, and what is emphasized, and what is not, and what the polls are showing as to who seems most likely to beat the Dem. But among the big three, winning Iowa probably would be a substantial plus, if it was reasonably decisive.


266 posted on 01/07/2007 3:00:42 PM PST by Torie
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To: Arizona Carolyn

Thanks.


267 posted on 01/07/2007 3:00:59 PM PST by Torie
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To: UWconservative

Romney's wife, Ann, has MS.


268 posted on 01/07/2007 3:02:49 PM PST by surrey
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To: Torie

I can't remember where Romney fell in the latest poll, but it was substantially lower than the two front runners. They explained this morning, on Fox, that the way the primaries are laid out this time, it's the candidate with a lot of money who can literally run from state to state and venue to venue who is going to win, they are laid out to benefit money and go against the smaller, underfunded candidates.


269 posted on 01/07/2007 3:03:21 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Arizona Carolyn

Arnold wants the California primary moved up to February. :) California is the best fit for Rudy after New York itself. I would love to see a California GOP primary poll of the contenders.


270 posted on 01/07/2007 3:05:38 PM PST by Torie
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To: UWconservative
Personally I do not care about his past personal life.He needs to admit his mistakes early on in his campaign,then move on.I will support Rudy anytime before McCain,and unfortunately whether we admit it or not they are the ONLY ones who can defeat Hillary.
271 posted on 01/07/2007 3:07:56 PM PST by patriciamary
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
>>>>>How is turning a blind eye to illegal immigration fiscally conservative?

Its not. Never said it was either. While I think the illegal immigration issue is more of a social issue, then a fiscal issue, it has far reaching ramifications across the board.

272 posted on 01/07/2007 3:08:25 PM PST by Reagan Man (In 2007, its Conservatism versus Liberalism..... the choice is yours.)
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To: Torie

I think Rudy would put California into play for the GOP this time around. That's a lot of points.


273 posted on 01/07/2007 3:09:39 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: calcowgirl
Guess what Eleanor Roosevelt's maiden name was.

FDR was her 5th cousin. Not exactly close.

To be a second cousin, you must share a great-grandparent. Not exactly close either.

274 posted on 01/07/2007 3:10:09 PM PST by Polybius
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To: Reagan Man

We agree...

I was pointing out the fallacies of the "no social issues" crowd...

There is no way I would vote for Julie-Annie, even if he won both the Democrat and Republican primaries...


275 posted on 01/07/2007 3:10:33 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Reagan Man

It's a huge fiscal issue. Just more hidden so people don't see what it is really costing them in increase health insurance costs, auto insurance costs, school taxes, etc.


276 posted on 01/07/2007 3:10:50 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: tomcorn

My husband and I just watched a TV movie about Rudy while on a Jet Blue flight. It starred James Woods and my husband felt it was a real hit piece. It was about his handling of 9-11 but had a lot of coverage of his marriage to Donna. With respect to his marriage, he looked just awful. She came out the heroine.


277 posted on 01/07/2007 3:11:36 PM PST by surrey
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To: Torie

For the Pubbies, there's no Vilsack to make Iowa irrelevant. Iowa usually produces 3 viable candidates, I think it will produce only 2 in the GOP.

Usually there will be a big gap between NH and the rest. Not so this year, especially for the Dems. That plays to Hillary's advantage. She makes the Iowa caucuses irrelevant, downplays the cranky NH voters and then goes to the bigger states running nothing but TV ads. She needs to avoid retail campaigning at all costs.

For the Republicans, this works in favor of McCain, he has a lot of big donor money. He could be defeated by a (1976) Reagan, someone supported uniformly by the grassroots of the party, but if Romney cannot stake out that ground alone, he won't be able to overcome that natural advantage.


278 posted on 01/07/2007 3:12:23 PM PST by AmishDude (It doesn't matter whom you vote for. It matters who takes office.)
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To: surrey

When you seek the Presidency, your life becomes an open book. For all her faults, Rudy hardly handled it well.

The length of this thread (and all Rudy threads) indicate how deeply divided Republicans are on Rudy.


279 posted on 01/07/2007 3:15:12 PM PST by BW2221
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To: BW2221

I like him. I can get past some of his liberal leanings because I think he would be a tough S.O.B on terrorism and right now that's my major concern.


280 posted on 01/07/2007 3:18:36 PM PST by surrey
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To: BW2221
>>>>The length of this thread (and all Rudy threads) indicate how deeply divided Republicans are on Rudy.

Not to mention the nearly 60% of FReepers who oppose Rudy`s candidacy TODAY. The word on Rudy`s liberal politics is just beginning to be revealed. Watch and wait.

281 posted on 01/07/2007 3:19:30 PM PST by Reagan Man (In 2007, its Conservatism versus Liberalism..... the choice is yours.)
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To: Arizona Carolyn
I am not sure what the total net is about illegals as a fiscal issue. They work very hard, and generally are not plugged into the social welfare system (and many forfeit for the moment social security benefits despite having paid FICA taxes), and tend to be young, and thus not plugged into the medical services mill. To the extent they make the economy more productive, that generates indirect taxes to the government beast. It is a hotly debated issue, and I don't think there is any grand unified creditable study that is at all persuasive, either way.

Frankly viewing the illegal alien issue, as a fiscal issue, for the government expenditure and revenue income statements, really misses the point. That aspect of the issue is rounding error, IMO.

282 posted on 01/07/2007 3:21:42 PM PST by Torie
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To: KantianBurke

Agreed. Further, the pols immorality is probably financed by the taxpayer. I'm sick of the trash that keeps offering themselves as "leaders."


283 posted on 01/07/2007 3:21:48 PM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Torie

You did read the threads here this week about the agreement, obtained under Freedom of information, that illegals who worked 18 quarters will be eligible for SS, vs us working 40 quarters?


284 posted on 01/07/2007 3:24:31 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Arizona Carolyn

Ya, but it is not implemented yet. If it is, that of course will have an impact. How large a one, is also the subject of debate. I don't think anybody knows, in fact even knows remotely. That one is just a fiscal loose cannon, which could slide either way.


285 posted on 01/07/2007 3:26:32 PM PST by Torie
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To: BW2221

I believe in the long run republicans will support Rudy over McCain .McCain and Hillary are the same.


286 posted on 01/07/2007 3:29:39 PM PST by patriciamary
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To: Wiffle Head
Remember when his boy Kerik was named for Homeland Security? It's fun to mock Rudy's personal life, but I think his messy professional relationships/business dealings are what's going to do him in.

That is largely why he will never get my vote.

287 posted on 01/07/2007 3:29:56 PM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: wagglebee
..I do not believe that Rudy would even make it through the caucuses

He and Newt would not survive the MSM double standard--not to mention the Religious Right influence in the base (of which I am a part).

The GOP had better look elsewhere--MS, CO or SC...

288 posted on 01/07/2007 3:29:59 PM PST by WalterSkinner ( ..when there is any conflict between God and Caesar -- guess who loses?)
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To: calcowgirl

Do you favor legalized gay marriage or legalized civil unions for gays? Just curious.


289 posted on 01/07/2007 3:31:50 PM PST by Torie
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To: wagglebee

"Guiliani would be a great wartime president, but he is not a conservative."

So what?


290 posted on 01/07/2007 3:32:10 PM PST by sabe@q.com (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: wagglebee
his first marriage to Regina, his second cousin, was already over.

LOLOLOL! Oh man, that's going to kill him right there. What a perv!

291 posted on 01/07/2007 3:32:31 PM PST by NRA2BFree (May you always have love to share, health to spare, and friends that care.)
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To: BW2221
The length of this thread (and all Rudy threads) indicate how deeply divided Republicans are on Rudy.

No, just here in FReeperville.

292 posted on 01/07/2007 3:33:41 PM PST by muleskinner
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To: MHT

So we only have McCain? Like it or not we need the independent vote to win.The independent voter will not support a true conservative.Rudy is totally electable.The public will forgive him if he's upfront from the start.Unless you want President Hillary or President McCain,who totally screwed his party,I will vote for Rudy .I will never vote for McCain.


293 posted on 01/07/2007 3:34:33 PM PST by patriciamary
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To: Torie
Do you favor legalized gay marriage or legalized civil unions for gays? Just curious.

That sounds very gay curious... No thanks... Turning this into a pervert forum? No thanks...

294 posted on 01/07/2007 3:35:58 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

I have a California poll up my sleeve. Stay tuned, assuming I get an answer.


295 posted on 01/07/2007 3:39:41 PM PST by Torie
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To: everyone

Whatever Rudy's guilt in this might be, Donna Hanover sounds like a nightmare. The "first wife" (second wife, in this case) isn't always blameless by a long shot. Or even necessarily a good person.


296 posted on 01/07/2007 3:40:38 PM PST by California Patriot ("That's not Charlie the Tuna out there. It's Jaws." -- Richard Nixon)
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To: Torie
I have a California poll up my sleeve.

1. The Knight initiative passed with 60%...

2. I don't live in California anymore...

297 posted on 01/07/2007 3:42:55 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: patriciamary

"I will never vote for McCain."

I would.

On foreign policy matters, McCain generally knows what he is doing, though he is soft on detainees. Foreign policy for the chief executive should count for a lot in anycase, and given we are in a struggle for survival, it makes the decision easy.

McCain has not been loyal to the party when he has been in the Senate, doing liberal things not out of political exigency. Giuliani and Romney at least can say they did what they had to do to get elected in liberal states. McCain, however, has the name recognition, is from Arizona, and doesn't have any excuses.

I understand why people don't trust McCain to deliver on issues, but on the other hand, I don't trust the Democrats to keep America safe with strongly worded letters. We need to do what we need to do to win the White House, and do our best to take back the House and Senate to stop the social and economic nonsense. In Illinois I'm looking forward to taking down Dick Turban, especially if Bill Brady is our nominee.


298 posted on 01/07/2007 3:43:09 PM PST by JHBowden (President Giuliani in 2008! Law and Order. Solid Judges. Free Markets. Killing Terrorists.)
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To: ansel12

What link?


299 posted on 01/07/2007 3:45:41 PM PST by McGavin999 (Don't be a Freeploader, contribute to the upkeep of FreeRepublic)
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To: mhx
"I'll vote for Bullwinkle too. We might just be getting a grass-roots movement going here."

What about a Bullwinkle/Elvira ticket? Both have a good set.
300 posted on 01/07/2007 3:45:52 PM PST by BW2221
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