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Giuliani fears ex-wife will hit presidential bid
London Times ^ | 1/7/07 | London Times

Posted on 01/07/2007 11:46:24 AM PST by wagglebee

THERE is one woman who could cause Rudy Giuliani, the former New York mayor, more problems than Hillary Clinton in the race for the White House: she is Donna Hanover, his second wife, writes Sarah Baxter.

Hanover, an actress and broadcaster, was enraged by Giuliani’s flagrant infidelity towards the end of their 18-year marriage and the divorce case was vicious. Giuliani’s advisers fear that she could be a loose cannon in the 2008 campaign.

Giuliani was acclaimed as the “mayor of America” for his heroic role during the attacks on September 11, 2001 and is revered for his leadership. At the time he was living in the spare room of an apartment belonging to gay friends after Hanover forced him out of Gracie Mansion, the official residence.

Hanover refused to confirm that she would vote for Giuliani as mayor of New York even when she was married to him. “What kind of wife is that?” Raoul Felder, Giuliani’s lawyer, fumed. “She’s essentially saying she’s not going to vote for him.”

Hanover once stood outside a shower at Gracie Mansion, expecting to confront Judith Nathan, Giuliani’s mistress, now his third wife. In the event, a startled golfing friend of Giuliani’s emerged.

Hanover was also accused of a lack of sympathy while the former mayor was battling prostate cancer, by banishing him to a spare bedroom and exercising noisily on a treadmill at 5am.

New Yorkers relished the details of Giuliani’s larger-than-life personal story. But conservative “values voters” could be different, as Giuliani’s own aides noted in a 140-page memo leaked last week by supporters of a rival candidate.

The campaign dossier suggested that Hanover could be one of several potentially “insurmountable” vulnerabilities that could cause him to drop out of the race. It was an embarrassing start to a campaign that is not yet officially under way.

Giuliani’s record in fighting crime and terrorism has placed him at the top of several polls for the 2008 Republican nomination, edging out Senator John McCain in popular support. But the party base may be turned off by his support for abortion, immigration, gun control and gay rights (although not gay marriage). It is their votes that he needs to secure the nomination.

“It would be one thing if Giuliani could say, ‘I’m a strong social conservative in my private life’, but he can’t even say that,” said Ramesh Ponnuru, a conservative commentator and author of The Party of Death, an attack on social liberalism. “It’s not just the fact of his multiple marriages, it is the way the Hanover marriage melted down. It was operatic.”

When Giuliani met Hanover on a blind date in the early 1980s, his first marriage to Regina, his second cousin, was already over. Hanover, who went on to appear in the television series Ally McBeal, was a glamorous soulmate who seemed to enjoy the spotlight as much as he did.

They had two children, Andrew, 21, and Caroline, 17, but in 1996 Hanover stopped calling herself by his last name and a year later Vanity Fair magazine said that he was having an “intimate relationship” with a senior member of his staff.

In 2000, without telling Hanover first, Giuliani announced at a press conference that he was separating from her. She retaliated by accusing him of being unfaithful with the employee, but he was already with Nathan.

Maggie Gallagher, a family values campaigner, was outraged by Giuliani’s “scummy” performance, accusing him of making Bill Clinton “look good as a husband and father”.

New Yorkers learnt during the divorce case that their cancer- afflicted mayor was temporarily impotent and Hanover demanded a huge settlement, including £760 a month to care for Goalie, the family’s golden retriever.

Felder struck back, accusing Hanover of being an “uncaring mother” who was “howling like a stuck pig”.

In the end Giuliani, who was beginning to earn big consultancy fees after September 11, agreed to a settlement of $6.8m to avoid the full horror of a court case.

Hanover has married Ed Oster, her university sweetheart, and written a book, My Boyfriend’s Back, about rekindling an old romance. Even if she stays mum, there is enough in the public domain to rattle conservatives. Yet however vicious the personal attacks on Giuliani, they are unlikely to dent his reputation for competence. He did, after all, handle the September 11 attacks while bunking with gay friends in the midst of an affair and a divorce battle.

TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008election; corrupt; donnahanover; exwife; giuliani; hitpiece; letch; nothanksrudy; rino; toomanywives
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To: wagglebee; rodeodrive3; TommyDale; jla; Reagan Man; Fierce Allegiance
I don't think anyone can get nominated by either party unless their spouse is constantly beside them playing the supportive spouse.

No question. Dean was forced to do a Diane Sawyer TV interview with his wife to dispel spousal questions. I believe the contrived togetherness worked against Dean----he and Mrs Dean acted so lovey-dovey, viewers thought the two were about to experience connubial bliss on-camera.

451 posted on 01/08/2007 8:53:56 AM PST by Liz (Nearly all men can stand adversity, but to test a man's character, give him power. Abe Lincoln)
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To: rodeodrive3

Ugh---another Terayza. With any luck, she'll make public speeches about raisins and gin like Terayza did. That lost Kerry a couple million votes.

452 posted on 01/08/2007 8:56:48 AM PST by Liz (Nearly all men can stand adversity, but to test a man's character, give him power. Abe Lincoln)
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To: ellery
>>>>>It's very difficult for social conservatives and libertarians to find common ground -- Reagan was so gifted that he managed to overcome the natural animosity between the two groups.

With or without another Reagan, the coalition of social and fiscal conservatives must remain as a united front against all forms of liberalism. If not, the GOP has no future. Btw, while libertarians are fiscal conservatives, they're opposed to promoting the politics of social conservatism. In this day and age with secularism growing in intensity throughout American society, that places libertarians on the same side with social liberals. Just as most Democrats believe in policies of social and fiscal liberalism, most Republicans believe in social and fiscal conservatism. Some Republicans may place the social issues slightly ahead of fiscal concerns in relative importance, while others place the fiscal issues ahead of social concerns.

Bottomline. Social and fiscal conservatism has coexisted side by side for the better part of the last 30 years, and the GOP has had been highly successful winning elections during that time frame. From Reagan to Gingrich, to Bush43 in 2000. If the GOP wants to return to power as the "Conservative Party" in America, its best bet is to work at strengthening the relationship between social and fiscal conservatives. Driving a wedge between conservative factions within the GOP will only lead to more failure in future elections. Conservatives are the backbone of the Republican Party. And the GOP leadership has no business promoting a liberal to be the party standard bearer for 2008. That strategy will backfire.


Reagan promoted a conservative policy agenda that included, a strong national defense, tax reform, limited govt and advancing the prolife agenda. Add to that a tough, no nonsense immigration policy. There is no need for a new coalition. Especially one that won't work. Social and fiscal conservatives together can win elections. Its a proven historic FACT.

453 posted on 01/08/2007 8:58:44 AM PST by Reagan Man (In 2007, its Conservatism versus Liberalism..... the choice is yours.)
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To: wagglebee

One won't have this problem if one has no ex-wives.

454 posted on 01/08/2007 8:59:54 AM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Liz; rodeodrive3; TommyDale; jla; Reagan Man; Fierce Allegiance

I don't think there is any way for a couple to "fake it" for the amount of time it takes to be on the presidential campaign trail.

If the spouse doesn't totally support the candidate, it will eventually be obvious. I think the support is actually a lot more important than whether the two are even in love. Dean's wife seems to really love him, but it was obvious that she really didn't want to leave Vermont and be in the spotlight. On the other hand, back in 1992 when the Klintoons did their "60 Minutes" piece it was clear that Hitlery thought BJ was a POS, but she fully supported his run for the White House.

455 posted on 01/08/2007 9:05:19 AM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: CholeraJoe

I don't care if it's legal or not, it's just plain wrong to marry your relatives.

456 posted on 01/08/2007 9:24:08 AM PST by panthermom
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To: ellery

I think an argument can be made to place it in both categories, I agree with you security is huge and ignored.

457 posted on 01/08/2007 10:15:52 AM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: BW2221

I understand that,but what we want and what we can get are two very different things.

459 posted on 01/08/2007 1:36:41 PM PST by patriciamary
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To: wagglebee

His ex-wife is a nasty, social climbing wench.

461 posted on 01/08/2007 9:37:30 PM PST by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake.)
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To: jla
Thanks for posting most informative material. Would make a great full-page ad in primary states. Ads are always eye-catching with graphics, don't you think?.

463 posted on 01/09/2007 2:54:56 AM PST by Liz (Nearly all men can stand adversity, but to test a man's character, give him power. Abe Lincoln)
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To: Torie

Torie, I don't know if you get any podcasts (I'd recommend it, there's some great free stuff out there), but the Federalist society has the audio of a debate (of sorts) between Breyer and Scalia on the Constitution.

The substance is interesting, if well-worn. Basically, Breyer says that nearly every piece of legislation is unclear and so ... it can mean whatever he wants it to mean and Scalia works very hard not to say, "Steven, you ignorant slut."

It's all very cordial, of course, but you can sense Scalia's frustration.

But what strikes me is Breyer's manner of speaking and making arguments. It is almost a textbook example of a pompous imbecile. I'm not speaking in a partisan manner here, his comments are either inane or pedestrian but he acts as if he's the man who instructed both Socrates and Solomon and they both disappointed him as students.

I'd heard it and I thought you'd appreciate such a thing. The whole audio file is 90 minutes.

464 posted on 01/09/2007 10:09:26 AM PST by AmishDude (It doesn't matter whom you vote for. It matters who takes office.)
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To: AmishDude

Thanks for the head's up. It sounds like fun. Poor Breyer just isn't very good in debates. He is too prolix, and fuzzy. He doesn't offer up examples of the application of his approach, that are in the least compelling. It is amazing he was a Harvard law professor. His classes must have really sucked. With a bit of research and preparation, I suspect I could be a more effective advocate, however disingenuous, of Breyerism, than Breyer himself. :)

465 posted on 01/09/2007 7:50:39 PM PST by Torie
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To: AmishDude; Torie

I watched part of it, Scalia was amusing and clear, Breyer was droll and boring.

466 posted on 01/09/2007 7:52:54 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Arizona Carolyn

Are you using the word droll in some sense other than amusing?

467 posted on 01/09/2007 7:56:02 PM PST by Torie
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To: Torie

No. You had to laugh at him, he was so proper and so boring and so liberal in his view of the constitution. Scalia had the audience laughing, Breyer practically put them to sleep.

468 posted on 01/09/2007 8:03:38 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Arizona Carolyn

Maybe it comes off more in the audio, but the pomposity was quite obvious to me.

469 posted on 01/09/2007 8:05:52 PM PST by AmishDude (It doesn't matter whom you vote for. It matters who takes office.)
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To: AmishDude

That's a better word.... I was searching for the best description of what I observed. He is an odd duck, droll can be odd, too.

470 posted on 01/09/2007 8:06:48 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: wagglebee

I really don't think Rudy has much of a shot.

471 posted on 01/09/2007 8:07:09 PM PST by Tribune7 (Conservatives hold bad behavior against their leaders. Dims don't.)
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To: wagglebee

Good. Get him out of the race now. After all the corruption in the GOP that cost us the last election along with the pedophile, Faggy Foley, WE DON'T NEED THIS.

Dear God in heaven, "our guys" are starting to make Bill Clinton look like Mother Teresa.

472 posted on 01/09/2007 8:09:44 PM PST by no dems (Duncan Hunter for Prez / John Bolton for VEEP in '08)
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To: Torie

I think Breyer's substance wasn't terrible, if you are susceptible to such arguments.

It was very professorish. I've taught enough calculus classes to know how to talk so that people will listen to you but won't ask any questions.

There was an interesting thought that occurred to me. He kept saying that he didn't understand the plain meaning of a certain statute. I kept thinking, "I wouldn't go around admitting that I'm stupid." But that's just me.

473 posted on 01/09/2007 8:12:01 PM PST by AmishDude (It doesn't matter whom you vote for. It matters who takes office.)
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To: mad puppy

>If she has moved on from her divorce and is at all happy with her current life and husband, then she won't say a thing.<

Doesn't matter because you can bet your bottom dollar that the MSM would make a bee-line to her, even offer her a few for an interview with leading questions to be answwered. Rudy is not my man, and I don't pretend to know or understand his private life, but the dirt bags wouldn't pass up badgering his ex. Too bad.

474 posted on 01/09/2007 8:21:42 PM PST by Paperdoll
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