Posted on 01/08/2007 7:59:22 AM PST by SJackson
Transplanting Al-Aqsa: response
Dan Gordon's astonishing proposal -- that Israel turn over Al-Aqsa, on the Temple Mount, to Saudi Arabia -- reminds me of all those Cold War liberals who twisted themselves into pretzels trying to find some formula for nuclear-arms control that the Soviet Union would accept. In those days, the liberals believed that if only we were clever enough to find the "right" combination of missile and warhead limits we would have the kind of breakthrough with the Kremlin's arms negotiators in Geneva that had for so long eluded us. One far-reaching and generous formula after another was proposed and -- to the liberals' amazement -- the Soviet Union kept saying nyet. So the liberals would go back to their drawing boards to concoct yet another, even more far-reaching and generous warheads-and-missiles formula -- which would bring yet another nyet from Moscow's arms negotiators. What the liberals never grasped is that no arms-limitation formula would ever be acceptable because in fact the Soviet Union had no interest whatever in limiting arms.
The problem with Mr. Gordon's proposal, simply put, is that it won't work -- not because it isn't clever and generous but because the Arabs have no interest in living in peace with Israel.
Two points are worth noting about Al-Aqsa and the Temple Mount. First, they were seized by Jordan in the 1948 war, and held by Jordan until the Israelis kicked them off the Temple Mount in the 1967 war. During these 19 years, the Arabs could have created a state of Palestine at any time, yet they didn't. Surely this tells us something; namely, that creating a state of Palestine is of absolutely no interest to the Arabs. All they really want is Israel's destruction. Second, when the Israelis took control of Al-Aqsa and the Temple Mount in 1967, they discovered that the place had been used by Jordan as an ammunition dump. So much for this being Islam's "third-holiest site."
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More on transplanting al Aqsa
Herbert E. Meyer's fine response debunking "Dan Gordon's astonishing" (and appalling) proposal that Israel turn over Al-Aqsa, on the Temple Mount to Saudi Arabia, appeases an insidious bias against Jews, a gesture that is unworthy of those professing commitment to Jews and Judaism as does Mr. Gordon.
Transplanting the Heart of the Matter [Jerusalem's Temple Mount]
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The world wants Yerushalayim - but it, like the rest of the world, belongs to G-d...and He said that Yerushalayim belongs to the Jews. Dan Gordon is an appeasing moron.
BTW, I believe that Israel should give Al-Aqsa to the Saudis - via air, piece by piece, mixed in with a healthy amount of bacon grease. Drop it right on the big rock in Mecca. It is way past time for Temple Mount (and all of Yerushalayim, for that matter) to be cleansed of unclean and idolotrous religions and artifacts.
Perhaps the Saudis would like to take over and manage the Vatican, too.
I'm sure they would. Along with Spain, parts of Italy and southern France are part of the Ummah, occupied by infidels at the moment.
Somebody help me out with this one. How much later in the collection of Islamic fables did the idea that Muhammed ascended/transported or did whatever he did in Jerusalem on the Temple Mount? Could he have had the idea that he wanted to get his grabby paws on Jerusalem before he croaked? Thus he had to make up some fantastic tale giving him some theological legitimacy.
I think there was some suggestion it was the site at the time it was built, though it may have been local. I believe that's based on accounts of lost decorative details that were destroyed within a century of it's building. I've seen pictures from the late 19th century, don't have the links handy, but the place wasn't maintained well at all. Nor visited. I think Muslim interest in Temple Mount is largely a 20th century phenom.
Zechariah 12:2 Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah [and] against Jerusalem.
Zec 12:3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.
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You forgot about Eastern Europe, where apparently they believe they have a claim, too.
Ain't it the truth, Alouette!
I thought maybe there was a good idea here. Dismantle the Dome of the Rock, brick by brick, and send it to Mecca. You could also dig up the rock itself, or at least bust a big piece off for them.
Thanks! :)
MOSLEM CLAIM TO JERUSALEM RESTS ON WOBBLY VERSE From Arutz-7 Thursday, Aug. 28, 2003 / Rosh Chodesh Elul 5763
A commentator in the official Egyptian government weekly, of all places, writes this week that the entire Moslem claim on Jerusalem and El-Aksa is based on a mistaken reading of one chapter of the Quran. Ahmed Mahmad Oufa wrote that the verse that mentions a night journey by Muhammed to a mosque has nothing to do with Jerusalem, as is generally claimed, but with a mosque near the holy Moslem city of Medina.
Prof. Moshe Sharon, Middle Eastern expert in the Hebrew University, expressed great surprise at the fact that such an article would be published in Arabic and in an Arabic-speaking country. Speaking with Arutz-7 today, he said, "All in all, this is not a new claim. We must remember that Jerusalem is not mentioned at all in the Quran [though it is mentioned hundreds of time in the Bible - ed. note]. The verse in question is in Sura [chapter] 17, which states that Muhammad was brought at night from one mosque to a "more distant" - aktsa, in Arabic - mosque. The first Moslem commentators did not explain this as referring to Jerusalem at all, of course, but rather as a miraculous night journey or night vision or some such.
In the beginning of the 8th century, however, they began associating this with Jerusalem, because they had a need to start giving sanctity to Jerusalem, and so they started connecting this verse with Jerusalem... Originally, however, the Moslems recognized the area of the Dome of the Rock as holy because of the Jewish Temple of King Solomon."
This last point may be borne out, Nissan Ratzlav-Katz notes, by the fact that the modern Arabic name for Jerusalem, Al-Quds, is adapted from the original Arabic name for the Temple Mount: Bayt al-Maqdis - or Beit HaMikdash [Hebrew for Holy Temple].
It should further be noted that the Al Aksa mosque was built on the Temple Mount 621 years after Mohammed's death.
http://www.zombietime.com/mohammed_image_archive/islamic_mo_full/
Mohammed (upper right) visiting Paradise while riding Buraq, accompanied by the Angel Gabriel (upper left). Below them, riding camels, are some of the fabled houris of Paradise -- the "virgins" promised to heroes and martyrs. This image and the following five images are Persian, 15th century, from a manuscipt entitled Miraj Nama, which is in the Bibliotheque Nationale, Paris. Taken from The Miraculous Journey of Mahomet, by Marie-Rose Seguy.
There's no mention of Jerusalem in this fairy tale. mohammad, depending upon which lying sect is telling the story, flew to a 'far place' on his magic horse that had the face of a woman and peacock feathers for a tail, ascended into paradise in a flash of bright light...and had a tete a tete with allah.
an opium induced dream, probably.
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