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Rehabilitating Hemingway
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Posted on 01/08/2007 5:47:50 PM PST by Sam Cree

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To: Sam Cree

Yes, he had a rough life. One more piece of bad luck you don't mention is that he gave his wife the manuscript of a bunch of early short stories he wrote in Paris, and she lost the manuscript on the train. It was the only copy.

There's some speculation that he may have had homosexual inclinations, which would explain why he wanted to appear so macho. I don't know whether to credit it, because that kind of speculation runs rampant all over the academy.

I've read Carlos Baker. Also Ilse Lind, who is an old friend of mine. I once asked her how she could stand teaching Hemingway to students, year in and year out, and she just sort of smiled and shrugged. In her late years she even taught that late novel, I think it was called "The Garden of Eden" or some such, that wasn't published until long after his death, because even his publishers couldn't stand it. Finally, greed got the better of them and it went into print.


41 posted on 01/08/2007 7:26:22 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: pissant

I didn't say they weren't among America's best writers.


42 posted on 01/08/2007 7:28:21 PM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: mandingo republican

He probably had reservations.


43 posted on 01/08/2007 7:29:27 PM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Old Professer

Niether did I, though I'd put Joyce in the Irish column even though he pretended to hate his irishness.


44 posted on 01/08/2007 7:29:54 PM PST by pissant
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To: Sam Cree
Hemingway grew up near me and attended my high school. Although he was a good teller of stories which translated very excitingly and colorfully to the silver screen, I don't like his novel writing style at all.

However, he hated his home town, left it after graduating from high school, vowed never to return......and didn't.

So, we're even.

Leni

45 posted on 01/08/2007 7:32:01 PM PST by MinuteGal (The Left takes power only through deception.)
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To: Sam Cree
I may agree that his writing was flawed, and probably even flawed in the ways you guys describe, but I still see it as great.

I think you can tell when he was hitting the sauce pretty hard while writing. In my mind though, his flaws are like the scratches and gouges that can be found on a old rifle's stock. They aren't pretty, but they add character.

46 posted on 01/08/2007 7:34:32 PM PST by EricT. (The Republicans got fired for poor performance. 12 years and that's all they did?!?)
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To: pissant

My biggest problem when I was reading voraciously and quite indiscriminately was that I would exhaust the local libraries of all copies of the author at hand; once read the complete works of Guy de Maupassant, boy, he must have had one hell of a wife.

I once had ambitions of writing myself, but I have absolutely nothing of value to say and no stories worth relating.


47 posted on 01/08/2007 7:35:04 PM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Cicero

I have the idea that Hemingway loved that first wife, the Paris one (Hadley?) the best of them all, and sometimes regretted having left her.

I believe that Garrison Keillor lost a major manuscript at a train station too, but I'd have to say that losing a Keillor manuscript qualifies as a gift to the readers of the world.


48 posted on 01/08/2007 7:36:41 PM PST by Sam Cree (absolute reality)
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To: MinuteGal

He writes for men. Few women like Hemingway. Feminine men usually can't stand him.


49 posted on 01/08/2007 7:36:53 PM PST by pissant
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To: Old Professer

Re-read the Sun also Rises someday, when you have time to get thru it in one or two sittings. That book is an amazing thing. The prose is manly, the realtionships are real, and he captured the period very well.


50 posted on 01/08/2007 7:40:27 PM PST by pissant
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To: pissant

Which would explain why he bores me.


51 posted on 01/08/2007 7:41:20 PM PST by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: EricT.

Apparently Hemingway used to wake up in the middle of the night and have a shot of booze, then go back to sleep. You can only keep that kind of thing up for so long.


52 posted on 01/08/2007 7:43:32 PM PST by Sam Cree (absolute reality)
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To: CaptainK

I will assume you are female then.


53 posted on 01/08/2007 7:44:30 PM PST by pissant
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To: pissant
Whoa! You're treading on dangerous ground there, pal.

I won't even get into why as it'll be obvious to everyone.

I'm putting notice to you, though, that my people will call on your people in the morning.

Leni

54 posted on 01/08/2007 7:45:42 PM PST by MinuteGal (The Left takes power only through deception.)
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To: MinuteGal

LOL. I live dangerously. Now if you can find the other 2 women on FR who actually have read Hem., than you could be a tough gang to deal with.


55 posted on 01/08/2007 7:47:54 PM PST by pissant
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To: Old Professer
I once had ambitions of writing myself, but I have absolutely nothing of value to say and no stories worth relating.

That didn't seem to stop most of the authors I was forced to read in high school.

56 posted on 01/08/2007 7:48:36 PM PST by EricT. (The Republicans got fired for poor performance. 12 years and that's all they did?!?)
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To: Sam Cree
Thanks for the post. Hemingway was one of those larger-than-life characters regardless of what one thought of his writing (which I happen to enjoy to this day).
57 posted on 01/08/2007 7:51:46 PM PST by GoldCountryRedneck ("Idiocy - Never under estimate the power of stupid people in large numbers" - despair.com)
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To: pissant
I found two in a sec....my freeper sister and my freeper daughter-in-law. We're lusty, red-blooded bawds who love to read books by lusty, macho writers.

I grant you most women prefer Danielle Steele to Hemingway.....but then, these dainty damsels probably read no classics at all.

I love Hemingway's plots, his settings, his rich characters......everything except his style. Although I make certain exceptions, of course, such as some short stories.

Time to say good night.

Dawn and the misting fog will be upon us shortly.

Leni

58 posted on 01/08/2007 7:58:26 PM PST by MinuteGal (The Left takes power only through deception.)
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To: MinuteGal

Farewell.....to arms.


59 posted on 01/08/2007 8:00:33 PM PST by pissant
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To: pissant

You assume correctly.


60 posted on 01/08/2007 8:04:54 PM PST by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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