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Rehabilitating Hemingway
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Posted on 01/08/2007 5:47:50 PM PST by Sam Cree

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To: CaptainK

Mush better than the alternative. LOL

Buenos nachos.


61 posted on 01/08/2007 8:08:16 PM PST by pissant
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To: Cicero

I agree with you.

I am an avid ready and always have been. My tastes are varied...but i could NEVER get through one of hemmingways books. BORING! long winded and pretentious.

but, to each their own:) I happen to live right by walloon lake which some know was his families vacation spot when he was growing up and was referred to in "farewell to arms".


62 posted on 01/08/2007 8:19:52 PM PST by annelizly
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To: Sam Cree
I bet most of you Hemingway fans didn't know he wrote a book of poetry. I have a copy: Ernest Hemingway 88 poems.
63 posted on 01/08/2007 8:23:34 PM PST by fish hawk (. B O stinks. That would be body odor and Barak Obama)
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To: fish hawk

I knew it. Never could find it.


64 posted on 01/08/2007 8:27:26 PM PST by EricT. (The Republicans got fired for poor performance. 12 years and that's all they did?!?)
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To: fish hawk

You're right, I didn't know about the poems.


65 posted on 01/08/2007 8:30:50 PM PST by Sam Cree (absolute reality)
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To: Sam Cree
I also have a book of poetry by Richard Harris. He is a better poet than Ernie. IMO
66 posted on 01/08/2007 8:43:20 PM PST by fish hawk (. B O stinks. That would be body odor and Barak Obama)
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To: Sam Hill
"Despite Hemingway’s amply documented myth-making about his private life..."

Please . . . the stuff he actually did do trumps the stuff most people do by a long shot.

67 posted on 01/09/2007 6:02:09 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: Sam Cree
I think the guy accomplished exactly that when he got things right.

I agree. For Whom the Bell Tolls, for example---that sounds like a real action you'd expect to find in a history book.

68 posted on 01/09/2007 6:03:16 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: pissant
Some of his short stories are stellar as well.

Fifty Grand.

Doesn't get much better . . . Andre Dubus (RIP) comes close.

69 posted on 01/09/2007 6:04:10 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: Sam Cree

Don't forget the Nick Adams stories (as well as other short stories) and one of the best memoirs ever written: "A Moveable Feast." All Hail Hem.


70 posted on 01/09/2007 6:06:07 AM PST by miss marmelstein
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To: pissant

I'm a huge Hemingway fan and I'm a woman. I love all American literature of the first half of the 20th Century. Hemingway was a breakthrough author with his terse, muscular prose.

I'm still hoping that people will come to recognize Thomas Wolfe as one of America's greatest writers (as they did until the 1960s).


71 posted on 01/09/2007 6:12:47 AM PST by miss marmelstein
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To: Cicero
In her late years she even taught that late novel, I think it was called "The Garden of Eden" or some such, that wasn't published until long after his death, because even his publishers couldn't stand it. Finally, greed got the better of them and it went into print.

Why would anyone bother to teach that? The Garden of Eden was a pure novelty---handwritten (I believe) rough draft sketches from Hemingway's notebooks that were stitched together some thirty-plus years after Hemingway's death by his son. The only possible teaching element you could draw from The Garden of Eden is "yeah, this is what a writer's rough draft looks like."

72 posted on 01/09/2007 6:13:33 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: pissant; MinuteGal
LOL. I live dangerously. Now if you can find the other 2 women on FR who actually have read Hem., than you could be a tough gang to deal with.

Sorry, but I believe pissant is right. Two main sorts of people tend to hate Hemingway: (1) women, and (2) artsy-fartsy limp-wristed types who need to destroy the Hemingway myth in order to promote their own introspective, verbose garbage.

73 posted on 01/09/2007 6:16:56 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: fish hawk
I bet most of you Hemingway fans didn't know he wrote a book of poetry. I have a copy: Ernest Hemingway 88 poems.

I own a first edition. It's absolutely terrible.

74 posted on 01/09/2007 6:18:09 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost

"Two main sorts of people tend to hate Hemingway: (1) women, and (2) artsy-fartsy limp-wristed types who need to destroy the Hemingway myth in order to promote their own introspective, verbose garbage."

LOL. Some of those who knew him best suspected Hemingway was an "artsy-fartsy limp-wristed type" who just went out of his way (perhaps too far) to hide it. (Cf Scott and Zelda Fitzgerald, Max Eastman, McAlmon his first publisher -- for starters.)

But you forgot another group who hated Hemingway: those who knew him.

Including all of his editors and publishers (Eastman, McAlmon), and his erstwhile "friends," and those who felt he lifted his style and even some of his material from them (Gertrude Stein, Sherwood Anderson)...

For the record I don't hate Hemingway at all. In fact, I even helped to write and produce an international mini-series on him. I just know about him.


75 posted on 01/09/2007 7:52:31 AM PST by Sam Hill
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Including all of his editors and publishers (Eastman, McAlmon), and his erstwhile "friends," and those who felt he lifted his style and even some of his material from them (Gertrude Stein, Sherwood Anderson)...

I see you can re-heat Wikipedia with the best of them:

Gertrude Stein criticized him in her book The Autobiography of Alice B. Toklas, suggesting that he had derived his prose style from her own and from Sherwood Anderson's.

Max Eastman? Sour grapes.

Robert McAlmon? Pissed off because he only got Three Stories and Ten Poems , and not any other.

Zelda Fitzgerald? Give me a break---her own husband knew she was a drunk and a mental patient (see Nicole Diver, et al).

Scott Fitzgerald? It's too bad their friendship ended like it did.

76 posted on 01/09/2007 8:17:28 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost

"she was a drunk and a mental patient"

Ahem.


77 posted on 01/09/2007 8:23:10 AM PST by Sam Hill
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To: Sam Hill
And I'd never trust Hemingway's opinion of anyone else, either (see Fitzgerald, F. Scott, Ernest Hemingway's Opinion Of).
78 posted on 01/09/2007 8:28:51 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost

The fact is that there are very few people if any who were friends with Hemingway for long.


79 posted on 01/09/2007 8:34:36 AM PST by Sam Hill
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To: Sam Hill
The fact is that there are very few people if any who were friends with Hemingway for long.

Gee, really?

80 posted on 01/09/2007 8:37:41 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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