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To: dennisw; A. Pole; B4Ranch; All
I went through the Human Events comments to the debate between Hawkins and Corsi, and found this one response was particularly apt, and well-written:

I wonder where Jerome Corsi ever mentioned black helicopters ... Or if those making such pointless remarks have studied any of the relevant history.

The CFR--publishers of the document Corsi cites (Building a North American Community)--has been pushing internationalism on the country since 1921, the year it was founded.

Zbigniew Brzezinski published BETWEEN TWO AGES in 1970. This is essentially a booklength attack on the concept of national sovereignty ("nationalism") and defense of a "global human conscience." This idea became the basis for the Trilateral Commission (TC) which he, David Rockefeller and Henry Kissinger organized a year or so later. In the final chapter of BTA is the germ of the strategy that evolved into the NAFTA/CAFTA/FTAA axis.

Perhaps those who believe the CFR and the TC to be mere "think tanks" can explain why the majority of the cabinets of every Presidency back through Roosevelt is filled with members of the former and why every Presidency back through Carter is filled with members of the TC as well as the CFR. And why members of both organizations are sprinkled liberally through the upper echelons of multinational corporations, media corporations, administrations of major universities, and big foundations such as Ford and Rockefeller.

Perhaps, too, the best explanation for the huge protests by illegal aliens on & around May 1 is their having been bankrolled, along with "underground" Hispanic organizations like La Raza, by the CFR-controlled Ford Foundation. Somewhere in here, too, is to be found the explanation why the Bush Administration (like all its predecessors topheavy with CFR members) has done almost nothing to protect our borders.

Corsi has the best explanation: there is a scheme in the works to end the United States of America and replace it, Mexico and Canada with a North American Union (whether it will be *called* that or not is, of course, neither here nor there).

There is no "conspiracy theory" here, whether about black helicopters or anything else. The evidence that supports the idea of a strategy aimed at ending U.S. sovereignty by creating a borderless world is in print, often by the authors of its own longstanding advocates, for those who can read plain English. Screaming "conspiracy theory" is nothing more than commiting a strawman (an informal fallacy of basic logic).

Qualification (1): obviously you will not find exact words calling for ending U.S. sovereignty. Our "new world order" (let's not be afraid to use that phrase, since Bush I used it quite openly) strategists are not stupid, after all. What you will find in documents like Building a North American Community and on the SPP website is the setting forth of arrangements that, once fulfilled, will make our borders increasingly lines on maps, like the lines between Illinois and Indiana.

Qualification (2): Of course, too, you won't see this on the 6 p.m. news. Again, they're not stupid. What the strategists of the "new world order" are counting on is the ostrichlike, head-in-the-sand attitude of nearly all mainstream commentators combined with the fact that most of the American public is far more interested in ball scores or the next episode of AMERICAN IDOL.

Qualification (3): It won't happen tomorrow, and the hornet's nest Corsi stirred up might force the strategy to slow to a crawl for the time being, so that it can't happen by 2010, the CFR's target year. Again, this doesn't mean there wasn't/isn't a strategy, or that those of us who claim to have isolated its main features are delusional.


66 posted on 01/09/2007 10:37:07 AM PST by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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To: Paul Ross

>those of us who claim to have isolated its main features are delusional.<

I was kind of enjoying this new status.


87 posted on 01/09/2007 11:41:07 AM PST by B4Ranch (Press "1" for English, or Press "2" and you will be disconnected until you learn to speak English.)
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To: Paul Ross

I zipped through the Hawkins-Corsi debate comments too. That was a good comment and there were a few others. US sovereignty is being whittled away in plain sight by a quiet cabal that goes about it's business (making a North American Union) while avoiding publicity and oversight. EU was formed the same way.

I could almost tolerate being unified with Canada into one nation. But Mexico? This is sick sick sick


135 posted on 01/09/2007 2:22:45 PM PST by dennisw (Don't let your past become your future -- Georges Gurdjieff)
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