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FIRST-PERSON: The truth about cohabitation
Baptist Press ^ | Jan 9, 2007 | Ed Litton

Posted on 01/09/2007 5:15:22 PM PST by Tim Long

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1 posted on 01/09/2007 5:15:24 PM PST by Tim Long
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I shared an apartment with my fiancée after getting engaged, but both agreed not to consumate the relationship until we were actually married. I think that worked out pretty well. While I sense a societal belief that a men and women can't possibly have the discipline to share an aprtment without exchanging bodily fluids, I felt (and I think my wife agreed) that a couple that couldn't exercise even that level of discipline shouldn't get married since real marriage requires a lot more discipline than that. So we consumated our relationship on the honeymoon.
2 posted on 01/09/2007 5:22:30 PM PST by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: Tim Long

Given the existing family law - both in its text and in its practice - it is amazing that the numbers cited are not 10 times higher.


3 posted on 01/09/2007 5:22:45 PM PST by GSlob
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To: Tim Long
Instant gratification, instant bread and instant circuses !
4 posted on 01/09/2007 5:24:06 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ("Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto")
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This is old news I thought. Haven't there been studies concluding pre-marriage co-habitation correlates with increased divorce rates for at least ten years?


5 posted on 01/09/2007 5:24:33 PM PST by amchugh
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To: GSlob

you gopt that right. Love is the triumph of hope over experience. (or so I'm told)


6 posted on 01/09/2007 5:24:40 PM PST by Rakkasan1 ((Illegal immigrants are just undocumented friends you haven't met yet!))
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To: Tim Long

'the Alabama Policy Institute'?

Guess that's how it is over in bama,
but in the rest of the lower 48--and PR
the Hawk flies free! ;<)


7 posted on 01/09/2007 5:26:28 PM PST by Natchez Hawk (What's so funny about the first, second, and fourth Amendments?)
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To: Tim Long

Or maybe it's just being one sort of person or another. Hard to say.


8 posted on 01/09/2007 5:27:55 PM PST by proxy_user
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To: amchugh
This is old news I thought. Haven't there been studies concluding pre-marriage co-habitation correlates with increased divorce rates for at least ten years?

Yep...

Hey Kids! Want Good Sex? Try Abstinence.

9 posted on 01/09/2007 5:32:15 PM PST by LowOiL (Paul wrote, "Let love be without hypocrisy. Abhor what is evil" (Rom. 12:9))
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One thing not having premarital sex does is build trust. If your husband/wife showed the discipline to abstain from sex with you prior to marriage, 30 years later when they have to go out of town you will trust them to not cheat.


10 posted on 01/09/2007 5:34:02 PM PST by MovementConservative (The US will win in Iraq. Thank you all US troops.)
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To: Natchez Hawk
Alabama Policy Institute

Auburn was nearly called that until 1960 something. Alabama Polytech Institute = Auburn University...

11 posted on 01/09/2007 5:34:21 PM PST by LowOiL (Paul wrote, "Let love be without hypocrisy. Abhor what is evil" (Rom. 12:9))
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When we remember what marriage was designed to do and who designed it, the contorted, sophomoric logic of those who conclude that living together is a good choice evaporates. It is not inconsequential that the loss of confidence in marriage coincides with a loss in confidence in God and the Bible.

My wife and I lived together for nearly two years before we were married. This was back in the early 1970's ... the term most popular in that era was 'shacking up'. We've been happily married (well, we've had our moments) for nearly 33 years. It worked for us ...

12 posted on 01/09/2007 5:35:19 PM PST by BluH2o
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To: amchugh
This is old news I thought. Haven't there been studies concluding pre-marriage co-habitation correlates with increased divorce rates for at least ten years?

Indeed there have, although it's very difficult to determine cause and effect from such studies.

If two people live together for years before getting married, and basically act the same after they got married as they did before, I could see why divorce would be likely. In many such situations, the marriage is largely an afterthought to the relationship--a sort of "oh why not". Cohabitation without marriage is an arrangement of convenience: "I'll love, honor, and cherish you as long as things don't get too rough". Getting married after a few years, if not accompanied by real changes in the relationship, could be closer to "Well it doesn't look as though things are going to get too rough" than to "I am going to be faithfully yours as long as we both shall live, especially when things get rough as they are almost certain to do".

It should hardly be surprising that an attitude of "Things don't seem too rough" would lead to divorce. On the other hand, I don't know any good way to predict how people will perform in hard situations; if they naturally occur and a couple survives, that's a good sign, but I wouldn't think it wise to create them artificially.

13 posted on 01/09/2007 5:47:17 PM PST by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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The study shows that the longer a couple cohabits before marriage, the less satisfied they are with their marriage.

Makes sense. After enough time, they realize their improbability of trading up and settle for what they have. Such settlements are often pregnancy driven. Even after saying their I do's, they're probably wishing that a better deal will eventually come along.

14 posted on 01/09/2007 5:48:57 PM PST by fso301
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To: MovementConservative
One thing not having premarital sex does is build trust. If your husband/wife showed the discipline to abstain from sex with you prior to marriage, 30 years later when they have to go out of town you will trust them to not cheat.

In some ways I feel like an oddball for having shared an apartment without consumating the relationship. It worked well for me and my wife, but I've not read any discussion anywhere of taking that approach. Is there some reason it wouldn't be a good approach for others to take?

15 posted on 01/09/2007 5:52:55 PM PST by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: MovementConservative
"30 years later when they have to go out of town you will trust them to not cheat."
30 or more years later the regular aging process would take care of that.
16 posted on 01/09/2007 5:55:43 PM PST by GSlob
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Makes sense. After enough time, they realize their improbability of trading up and settle for what they have. Such settlements are often pregnancy driven. Even after saying their I do's, they're probably wishing that a better deal will eventually come along.

Good point. By the time I moved into the new apartment with my fiancée I wanted her, forever, and nobody else. Even if someone who somehow managed to be more intelligent, witty, cute, and alluring had suddenly taken an interest in me at that point, I wouldn't have cared. I had chosen the person I wanted and she had chosen me. I wasn't hoping for something better, since I already had the best.

Of course, some people do shack up with the idea that it's a good way for them to pass the time until they find something better. And on the surface such behavior is perfectly logical. On the other hand, even though cohabitation will make it harder for either person to find anyone better, the attitude of "passing time" will mean that when someone does find someone who seems better (as will likely happen at some point) the relationship will be doomed.

17 posted on 01/09/2007 6:00:53 PM PST by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: LowOiL

Ahhh...

Thanks for the info.


18 posted on 01/09/2007 6:08:01 PM PST by Natchez Hawk (What's so funny about the first, second, and fourth Amendments?)
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To: amchugh
You're right. I've heard this many times from various sourses for quite a few years now. Wish I could remember some but I can't except that some were Christian ministries. Makes sense. God is sure against it.

My dad used to say, "there's on free lunch", and "try it before you buy it has nothing to do with dating." I know he was right on the money.

19 posted on 01/09/2007 6:09:02 PM PST by Frwy (Eternity without Jesus is a hell-of-a long time.)
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God is sure against it.

The Bible provides that if a man deflowers a virgin, her father may at his option either compel him to marry her, or make him pay the 'bride price' without marrying her.

Indeed, it seems to me that while men were permitted to marry non-virgins if they so chose, the act of deflowering a virgin effectively consumated a marriage (whether the couple had been ceremonially married before the act or not).

A logical system. A major purpose of marriage (if not the most important) was to allow men to know that any children their wives bore would be theirs. A man who took a virgin wife could be sure that she wasn't pregnant with someone else's child. Consequently, virgin females were highly desirable. A man who bedded a virgin would greatly diminish her chances of taking anyone else as a husband--thus the requirement that the man either marry the person or pay compensation for her reduced marriageability.

20 posted on 01/09/2007 6:51:31 PM PST by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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