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When Christian Socialists Attack
american.com ^ | 1/12/2007 | Jurgen Reinhoudt

Posted on 01/14/2007 4:13:46 AM PST by cinives

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To: cinives
What does antigovernment conservatism offer to inner-city neighborhoods where violence is common and families are rare? Nothing.

Anyone who avoids seeing that "The Great Society" accomplished more destruction of the "family" in the United States than did anything else in our history is being deliberately blind and stupid.

There is such bliss and inner peace in liberalism that it's a wonder we don't all succumb. When you are liberal you never ever need to look at the consequences of your actions.

21 posted on 01/14/2007 5:41:09 AM PST by stevem
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To: cinives

Well not to split hairs but, there isn't much difference between the two, if any.

But I think one difference is that one is a National Socialist, and the other is an International Socialist.

Which is Bush?

And his cabinet?


22 posted on 01/14/2007 5:41:11 AM PST by stockpirate (John Kerry & FBI files ==> http://www.freerepublic.com/~stockpirate/)
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To: cinives
is that Gerson ?

Yes. Sorry I forgot to add that to the caption.

23 posted on 01/14/2007 5:44:07 AM PST by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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To: cinives
Isn't this the same butt monkey that tried to start trouble about how the Bush cabinet "really" felt about Christians?
24 posted on 01/14/2007 5:47:26 AM PST by haywoodwebb (obama can't be VP. hillary wouldn't have a n-word on her ticket! - I'm black so I can say it -LOL!!)
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To: cinives
Okay just to clear up. Gerson is not only a speechwriter but a policy advisor to Bush.

Religion, Rhetoric, and the Presidency
Remarks of Michael Gerson, Speechwriter and Policy Advisor to President George W. Bush

It just gets worse every day.

25 posted on 01/14/2007 5:49:41 AM PST by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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To: Clifford The Big Red Dog
Christan and Socialist are mutually exclusive terms.

An unsupported assertion. If one follows Jesus' teachings and the examples he and his followers set, you'd be a communist. Indeed, this is what the communistic "Liberation Theology" movement is all about.

26 posted on 01/14/2007 5:55:12 AM PST by Junior (Losing faith in humanity one person at a time.)
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To: cinives

Anytime I see the phrase "social justice" I read "Communism".


27 posted on 01/14/2007 6:00:56 AM PST by Clifford The Big Red Dog (Woof!)
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To: Junior

That is not correct, because Jesus never (to the best of my knowledge) advocated using government force for "acts of charity".

The difference is, socialism is backed by governments threatening force to make citizens behave a certain way. Think taxes and the government programs spawned by uwe of tax money, abolition, slavery, public education, etc.

Jesus just "threatened" denial to the kingdom of heaven.


28 posted on 01/14/2007 6:01:56 AM PST by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: Clifford The Big Red Dog

yep, me too


29 posted on 01/14/2007 6:02:26 AM PST by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: cinives
Unfortunately they left the door open with eminent domain and the commerce clause and it snowballed from there.

I don't think the Framers "left the door open" with the Commerce Clause. I think FDR and the living document revisionists took it off at the hinges to get around the lock.

30 posted on 01/14/2007 6:10:28 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: cinives
And we know where the road paved with good intentions goes to......

31 posted on 01/14/2007 6:13:29 AM PST by Clifford The Big Red Dog (Woof!)
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To: cinives

Abolition? As in slavery?

IOW you believe that freeing the slaves was a bad idea?

Say it ain't so!


32 posted on 01/14/2007 6:15:43 AM PST by Clifford The Big Red Dog (Woof!)
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To: cinives

This is all dependent on whose definition of "Christian" you want to use, and whose definition of "socialism" as well.


33 posted on 01/14/2007 6:28:37 AM PST by TommyDale (If we don't put a stop to this global warming, we will all be dead in 10,000 years!)
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To: Clifford The Big Red Dog

No, what I was trying to imply was that slavery was an institution protected by government law. If it wasn't for laws protecting slaveholders, slavery would have ended a lot sooner - and without a war.


34 posted on 01/14/2007 11:01:07 AM PST by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: TommyDale

Not at all. Definitions are definitions.

At least according to the Bible, Jesus never sought laws taking from one by force and giving to others (taxation).

Socialists, on the other hand, advocate nothing but.

Then there are those "Christians", the ones I mentioned and a whole lot more, who do believe in using the power of the state to attempt to rectify social problems whether any individual likes it or not.


35 posted on 01/14/2007 11:04:31 AM PST by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: cinives
We should not be surprised that Reagan never was popular with the Republican Party leadership: GOP leaders consistently favored the big government conservatism of Nixon, Rockefeller, Ford, and now Bush, to Reagan’s small-government conservatism. Though voters and conservatives adored Reagan, GOP leaders considered his small-government idealism to be an irritating obstacle to winning votes. Voters proved those GOP leaders wrong by wide margins in 1980 and 1984, and in numerous elections since then, but Republican leaders just don’t seem to learn.

That message worked for Reagan in 1980 and 1984, and the "GOP leaders" like that well enough. But an antigovernment message didn't work for Goldwater or for other candidates who've tried it. And even Reagan's victories didn't make the government any smaller.

I suspect people, even if they don't like Bush's budgets, don't trust "anti-government" or "anti-statist" rhetoric because they don't know what people are trying to evoke with such language or how far they are willing to go.

A majority of Americans trusted Reagan. Very few trust the Randians and Rockwellites who often make use of "antigovernment" rhetoric for radical quasi-anarchist purposes. And whatever any of us thinks of Gerson, people are right not to have much use for that extreme fringe.

36 posted on 01/14/2007 11:14:14 AM PST by x
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To: cinives
“What does antigovernment conservatism offer to inner-city neighborhoods where violence is common and families are rare? Nothing."

OK, commie, what should conservatives (or those of any other political persuasion) offer inner-city neighborhoods? The answer is simple - we taxpayers already give too much to deadbeats. We owe the inner city NOTHING.

The time has come that stop the practice of feeding, clothing, and sheltering those that commit violence and fail to contribute in a positive way to society. Until people have to earn their own way, they will not do so.

Sorry if I sound harsh, but 5 decades of welfare has done nothing to solve the problems inherent in many inner-city neighborhoods. Expanding the program will only increase the price of non-achievement.

37 posted on 01/14/2007 11:16:14 AM PST by meyer (Bring back the Contract with America and you'll bring back the Republican majority.)
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