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Man aims to become licensed hemp farmer
Associated Press ^ | Jan 15, 2007 | DALE WETZEL

Posted on 01/15/2007 2:07:51 PM PST by ellery

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To: ellery

"My question is, what in the Constitution gives the Feds authority to prohibit farming of this crop, provided the state has approved it?"

It's the "whatever congress wants to" clause of the constitution.

If congress wants to do it and they can get enough support for it, they have the legal authority to do anything, or so some would have you believe.

It's funny that a farmer has to jump through all these hoops to grow the same crop Washington and Jefferson grew.

This nation has gone bat-sh&$ insane with laws.


21 posted on 01/15/2007 3:36:41 PM PST by flashbunny (If the founding fathers were alive today, they'd be buying feathers and boiling tar.)
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To: ellery
He will have to provide two sets of fingerprints and proof that he's not a criminal.

Fingerprints for growing hemp. God I hate the government.

22 posted on 01/15/2007 3:37:43 PM PST by Sir Gawain
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To: ellery
My question is, what in the Constitution gives the Feds authority to prohibit farming of this crop, provided the state has approved it?

ROTFL. The government can do anything they damn well please. The Constitution is just for looks, until the citizens decide otherwise.

23 posted on 01/15/2007 3:41:37 PM PST by Sir Gawain
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To: Sir Gawain
The Constitution is just for looks, until the citizens decide otherwise.

The problem is that most citizens can't be bothered, and others like to use it to restrict people they don't like.

24 posted on 01/15/2007 3:47:08 PM PST by Gabz (If we weren't crazy, we'd just all go insane.)
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To: ellery
"My question is, what in the Constitution gives the Feds authority to prohibit farming of this crop, provided the state has approved it?"

Article VI, Section 2 (Supremacy Clause) which says that federal law trumps state law.

The same clause that gives the Feds authority to prohibit medical marijuana when the state has approved it. Nothing new, ellery.

25 posted on 01/15/2007 3:56:33 PM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: em2vn
He embargoed tons of bird seed from Canada because it contained sterilized marijuana seed, just has it had for decades.

I have a 37-year old Amazon parrot that would sell her soul for hemp seed.

Back when it was available in a seed mix, she would start sorting through the seed I put in her bowl, eating all the hemp seed first.

Her favorite food of all time is still raw beef (go figure) and she can detect the scent of beef brought home from the store and still sealed in packages in the fridge...and starts asking for it in plain English.

26 posted on 01/15/2007 4:03:59 PM PST by capt. norm (Liberalism = cowardice disguised as tolerance.)
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To: robertpaulsen; tpaine

Guess the founders forgot that they were writing on hemp when they outlawed in in that invisible amendment of yours.

Next you'll be telling us the purpose of the Constitution is to limit citizens' rights and enumerate powers for the state.


27 posted on 01/15/2007 4:07:16 PM PST by Sir Gawain
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To: ellery

It's legal to import industrial hemp (provided it's not for consumption). What's this great urge to grow it domestically?


28 posted on 01/15/2007 4:16:19 PM PST by robertpaulsen
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"Guess the founders forgot that they were writing on hemp when they outlawed in in that invisible amendment of yours."

And they rode in carriages. Times change.

29 posted on 01/15/2007 4:19:13 PM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen

Same reason farmers cultivate any crop domestically, I'd guess.


30 posted on 01/15/2007 4:19:35 PM PST by ellery (The true danger is when liberty is nibbled away, for expedience, and by parts. - Edmund Burke)
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To: traviskicks

ping


31 posted on 01/15/2007 4:24:14 PM PST by ellery (The true danger is when liberty is nibbled away, for expedience, and by parts. - Edmund Burke)
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To: ellery

Unlike for "any crop", this guy is jumping through hoops to do so. I would think it would be easier and cheaper to import the raw hemp from 20 miles away. Or the finished hemp product.


32 posted on 01/15/2007 4:26:34 PM PST by robertpaulsen
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No, the supremacy clause says that federal law valid under the US Constitution trumps state law. If the founders intended to allow federal powers to trump state powers in any and all ways, the 10th Amendment would make no sense.

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding."

33 posted on 01/15/2007 4:44:36 PM PST by ellery (The true danger is when liberty is nibbled away, for expedience, and by parts. - Edmund Burke)
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To: robertpaulsen
And they rode in carriages. Times change.

But the interpretation of the Constitution isn't supposed to.

34 posted on 01/15/2007 4:58:32 PM PST by Sir Gawain
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To: ellery
"No, the supremacy clause says that federal law valid under the US Constitution trumps state law."

Yep.

"If the founders intended to allow federal powers to trump state powers in any and all ways, the 10th Amendment would make no sense."

Well, there are federal powers ... and all the rest are state powers. So says the 10th.

The powers don't conflict. In this case, the federal law written under the power to regulate commerce conflicts with the state law written under the police power of the state.

35 posted on 01/15/2007 4:59:31 PM PST by robertpaulsen
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The powers don't conflict. In this case, the federal law written under the power to regulate commerce conflicts with the state law written under the police power of the state.

"I write separately only to express my view that the very notion of a ‘substantial effects’ test under the Commerce Clause is inconsistent with the original understanding of Congress’ powers and with this Court’s early Commerce Clause cases. By continuing to apply this rootless and malleable standard, however circumscribed, the Court has encouraged the Federal Government to persist in its view that the Commerce Clause has virtually no limits. Until this Court replaces its existing Commerce Clause jurisprudence with a standard more consistent with the original understanding, we will continue to see Congress appropriating state police powers under the guise of regulating commerce."

-Clarence Thomas

36 posted on 01/15/2007 5:02:24 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: ellery

We desperately need more ratty clothes and bio rope.


37 posted on 01/15/2007 5:03:16 PM PST by Tolsti
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To: Sir Gawain
"But the interpretation of the Constitution isn't supposed to."

The fact that Congress, with the consent of the people, chooses to regulate something today that wasn't regulated 200 years ago has nothing whatsoever to do with "interpreting" the Constitution.

Because you disagree with what's being regulated doesn't mean it's unconstitutional.

38 posted on 01/15/2007 5:04:57 PM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: Sir Gawain

Wihout hemp crops we will surely fail in the global market.


39 posted on 01/15/2007 5:06:34 PM PST by Tolsti
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To: robertpaulsen
I would think it would be easier and cheaper to import the raw hemp from 20 miles away. Or the finished hemp product.

It might be worth it just to be able to document just exactly what kind of totally effedup bureaucratic abominiation they've created with out tax dollars, for our own good.

40 posted on 01/15/2007 5:07:32 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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