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From trophy wife to toxic wife
Telegraph ^ | 16 January 2007

Posted on 01/15/2007 7:16:36 PM PST by Lorianne

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To: MHGinTN
Regardless of age differences, the key is to see the other as they are, not as you imagine them to be

I do not imagine them to be anything. I was simply stating what I have observed. When the first thing out of a new dates mouth is, So how much money do you make? Do you have a 401? I'll bet your husband left you with a hefty chunk of change! or Wow I'll bet your looking forward to early retirement now that your a widow...I'll pass on the dating scene with these guys. The few that have had with younger men are apt to be interested in me the person not my bank account
141 posted on 01/16/2007 10:39:55 AM PST by boxerblues
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To: Mr. Jeeves
These judgments are usually coming from men who, somewhere deep inside, wish women like those discussed in the articles had in the past chosen to be promiscuous with them.

That makes zero sense. Some men mention those things because they really don't want to marry such a person. I know I wouldn't. Society tells women that dressing and acting provactively (sp) is a good thing. It attracts attention, to be sure, but it's the wrong kind. I've no interest in those kinds of women, and most men with a brain don't either.
142 posted on 01/16/2007 10:41:44 AM PST by JamesP81 (If you have to ask permission from Uncle Sam, then it's not a right)
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To: Lorianne
Boo hoo. They married beautiful women with a taste for money and are shocked to find that after years of marriage the women use their money to hold on to their looks and live a lavish lifestyle.

Sort of like marrying Lance Armstrong and then complaining he spends too much time and money on the bike.
143 posted on 01/16/2007 10:47:23 AM PST by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: Lorianne
This is funny. I don't have any sympathy for the husbands. After all, they married them...

It's always the guy's fault, isn't it?

Unmarried men, Freepers...listen to this poster very carefully...this is the attitude you can expect from your wife, your ex-wife, their friends, and society. If you hit your wife, you're a beast...if she hits you, you must have provoked it.

These "ladies" will have you, legally and financially speaking, by the gonads. Think carefully before you put yourself in that position.

144 posted on 01/16/2007 10:54:00 AM PST by gogeo (Irony is not one of Islam's core competencies (thx Pharmboy))
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To: Aquinasfan
I grew up in the '60s, and back then "the dream" was belonging to a country club, going out to a steakhouse every weekend, owning a caddy, wearing white shoes, and basically, doing as little as humanly possible.

Well, sure, because we had it drilled into us day in and day out by those selling the American Dream that this is what it took to be "happy". You can't be too rich, too thin or have too many toys. Nothing much has changed. Different toys, new ploys.....but it's the same old game for most people, chasing the carrot on the stick.

145 posted on 01/16/2007 10:54:10 AM PST by Mama_Bear (My heroes wear camouflage)
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To: Mr. Jeeves
Not always. Sometimes they come from men who divorced after her 3rd affair . . .

If (and that is a HUGE "IF") I ever get married again I want to be absolutly sure My pen is the only one in the inkwell.

146 posted on 01/16/2007 10:58:11 AM PST by Petruchio (* Censored *)
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To: fr_freak
Do you also enjoy laughing at the handicapped?

Sad but true. Of course, they may have been sold a bill of goods by the gal, and by society...who gives men a false sense of empowerment.

Because, you see, if a wife is unhappy, it's because you haven't been meeting her needs...if you did, she'd change. Why, just by being a non-drinking, non abusive husband, that makes you better than 50% of all the guys out there! (if the propaganda is to be believed) So, you see, it doesn't really matter who you marry, because if you're a good husband, any women will come around!

Nonsense, you say? Read the threads, read the magazines...attend some marital counseling.

147 posted on 01/16/2007 11:03:40 AM PST by gogeo (Irony is not one of Islam's core competencies (thx Pharmboy))
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To: Aquinasfan
He's tried to have a relationship with the kids... but they really aren't interested at this point.. mainly because there was never bonding in the early years.

He went through a phase with all his toys....and found it quite unfulfilling. We've been divorced 10 yrs and he recently married a very nice woman he's known for a little while. What's sad is he was on my doorstep trying to get back together...the week before he married her. That tells me he's not in love ....as much as he just doesn't want to be alone. For her sake...I hope it works.

148 posted on 01/16/2007 11:07:10 AM PST by LaineyDee (Don't mess with Texas wimmen!)
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To: JamesP81

Look, maybe there aren't a whole lot of great men or women out there to have those lovely little old-fashioned marriages. That doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if there are a million or six; it matters that there's one, and you find her.

There's a phrase I remember from a science fiction story somewhere: "If your girl's one in a million, that means there's six like her in a decent sized city". Odds don't matter. The kind of person you want to marry, wants to marry the kind of person you are. It doesn't matter that sorority girls only date hunky bad boys. It doesn't matter that girls in bars don't like geeks. It matters that the kind of girl who marries geeks (like me), marries geeks.

The only secret to finding that one true love is knowing what you're looking for. Sounds stupid, right? But how closely have you thought about the kind of woman you want? I mean really? I had a friend who told me two years ago I'd never get a date because my list of qualities in a guy was too long. Today I'm married to a man who matched all those and some I hadn't even hoped for.

Once you know what you're looking for, go where she is. Chances are she's not in bars. Chances are she's at church, online, in a class somewhere. But if you don't know what you're looking for, youll never find her. And that pessimistic "women are evil" attitude, won't get you anywhere.


149 posted on 01/16/2007 11:08:29 AM PST by JenB
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To: Mama_Bear

Thanks Lori. I DO have my moments!

If I die tomorrow, I can truly say I have had a wonderful & blessed life. Heartaches? Sure, a boatload full (big boat).. but sometimes being pollyanna & skipping over the silly crap in life helps one to endure the tougher things along the way

Lots I still would like to do & experience but we just cant count on tomorrow being there.


150 posted on 01/16/2007 11:08:34 AM PST by DollyCali (Don't tell GOD how big your storm is -- Tell the storm how B-I-G your God is!)
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To: Lorianne

Oh, this is ludicrous. Yes, there are some horrible parasitic wives on both sides of the Atlantic, and some poor beleaguered husbands. But I know quite a few Englishwomen who are fixed like this and the idea of anyone post-1935 saying "drinkie-poo" is insane. I think the author has been reading about Bertie Wooster and now she thinks the rich middle class talks like that.

They may treat their staff badly, too, but it's way too difficult and too much trouble to find new staff for a woman to fire staff casually. This tale is fictional.


151 posted on 01/16/2007 11:08:53 AM PST by Fairview
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To: DollyCali

Will you please add me to your ping list?

t.y.!


152 posted on 01/16/2007 11:10:28 AM PST by woollyone (a man self-deceived is twice deceived)
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To: JenB
But how closely have you thought about the kind of woman you want?

At great length. I could type you up a point by point list if you wanted to see it.

Chances are she's not in bars. Chances are she's at church, online, in a class somewhere.

I certainly wouldn't look in a bar. Hell, I don't even go into bars. Frankly, since I got a good idea of what I want, I'm now at least somewhat convinced that what I want doesn't exist. I could be wrong, only time will tell.
153 posted on 01/16/2007 11:12:56 AM PST by JamesP81 (If you have to ask permission from Uncle Sam, then it's not a right)
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To: umgud

I've been single since the early 90's. Had a horrible marriage, a horrible husband too. I've not had the guts to try it again either.


154 posted on 01/16/2007 11:15:50 AM PST by GYPSY286 (Politicians must USE their heads or Americans will LOSE their heads.)
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To: LaineyDee

It's not at all short-sighted. To marry bringing no marketable skills to the union is unfathomable. Choosing not to work is another matter. Having the skill to work at something is a must. It's for back-up.

Thanks for your post. You made my case even better than I did. 25 years of misery? Was he holding a gun to your head all that time? Or, was it 'for the kids?' Puh-leeze.

OTOH, he'll probably die the same: an angry, bitter man.


155 posted on 01/16/2007 11:16:43 AM PST by Froufrou
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To: DollyCali
Lots I still would like to do & experience but we just cant count on tomorrow being there.

Well, I don't think any of us want to get to a point in our lives where we have seen and done everything we wanted to do. That would not be good. I have a list of things I want to do before I die, and I purposely made it a VERY long list. ;-)

156 posted on 01/16/2007 11:16:59 AM PST by Mama_Bear (My heroes wear camouflage)
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To: gogeo
What you write has a lot of wisdom although the pop culture would not agree.

This is taking for granted we are not starting with a spoiled little girl in a woman's body. A woman who is just given stuff & not emotional support (NOT passive aggressive) and TRUE love will not be responsive in the way a man wants.

And a woman who cannot meet the man's wants/needs is much the same way.

It takes as much energy to thank him for his financial support & love as it does to complain that she doesn't have enough.

I am at the age/stage that the men I am series in dating are ones who have gone the "route" more or less & have learned that what I can provide for them in NOT in a bank account but in true support & companionship.

More than one have told me how refreshing it is to meet someone NOT married to her career or tied at hip to her adult children.

They are thrilled to have someone they consider their EQUAL to share the remaining days of life & the money they have accrued is rather meaningless w/o that missing part.
157 posted on 01/16/2007 11:17:08 AM PST by DollyCali (Don't tell GOD how big your storm is -- Tell the storm how B-I-G your God is!)
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To: boxerblues

Hmm, your reply has a tinge of anger in it. That's your problem now, not the deadbeats you dated then. Good luck ...


158 posted on 01/16/2007 11:17:44 AM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support. Promote life support for others.)
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To: JenB
I'm aware that I come off pessimistic, and I don't like that. In truth, I'm a hopeless romantic if you really want to know how I feel, but in today's world I have no choice but to be protective of myself. A mistake in today's world costs you far more than it once did. There's simply no room for error. I hope things turn out well, but my caution and pickiness aren't going away any time soon.
159 posted on 01/16/2007 11:18:01 AM PST by JamesP81 (If you have to ask permission from Uncle Sam, then it's not a right)
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To: JamesP81

And I'm pretty sure she does exist, if only because statistically, someone to match every profile is out there.

Put it this way - are you, like Noah, the only righteous man of the generation? Not quite, no matter how bleak things seem. So why assume there's no girl out there like you?

I don't like threads where certain male freepers come on and paint these broad strokes that all women are evil or out to get men. You surely know better than that! You don't sound bitter, just a bit lonely and despairing and that's pretty normal. Just... don't make doom-and-gloomy comments about there not being any nice girls out there because it's really offensive to those of us who are (or were until not long ago). I have younger sisters out there, doing their best to find nice young men to settle down with. Being told that they don't exist and all unmarried women these days are sluts, is pretty darn offensive.


160 posted on 01/16/2007 11:19:01 AM PST by JenB
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