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SAUNDERS: Boxer's hit on personal price
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 1/16/7 | Debra J. Saunders

Posted on 01/16/2007 8:14:21 AM PST by SmithL

LAST FRIDAY'S exchange between Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-Calif., and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice turned into the chew toy of cable news shows over the weekend -- with Democrats arguing that Boxer was right to point out that Rice, a single woman, has no children fighting in Iraq, and White House spokesman Tony Snow indignant that Boxer had made "a great leap backward for feminism."

Debbie Argel Bastian, a Lompoc mother who lost her son Derek Argel in Iraq in 2005, told me over the phone that Boxer's remarks were "rude," "shameful" and "cruel."

In case you missed the exchange, this is what Boxer said to Rice at the Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing: "Now, the issue is who pays the price? I'm not going to pay a personal price. My kids are too old, and my grandchild is too young. You're not going to pay a particular price, as I understand it, within immediate family. So who pays the price? The American military and their families, and I just want to bring us back to that fact."

Actually, Rice is paying a personal price. She has not lost a son, but Rice has had to live with whatever policy mistakes she helped make, and she has put her life at risk when visiting Iraq.

Bastian, who visited Iraq in December with the pro-war group Move America Forward, came back saying that "Each and every one of those troops, I feel, are my children. I believe that Condoleezza Rice feels that, too."

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: botoxbabs; boxer; condirice; democrats; feminism; rice
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1 posted on 01/16/2007 8:14:22 AM PST by SmithL
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To: SmithL

Did Madeline Albright have children serving?


2 posted on 01/16/2007 8:15:26 AM PST by Long Island Pete
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To: SmithL
In citing Rice's childlessness, Boxer was doing what many lefties do — coming up with conditions that others must meet in order to be entitled to dissenting opinions. It makes about as much sense as arguing, before the war, that only people whose children had to live in Iraq under Saddam Hussein had a right to oppose U.S. troops in Iraq.

No, Boxer was pitching the propaganda to fellow liberals who don't really respect those who pay a personal price, but say they do.

3 posted on 01/16/2007 8:19:31 AM PST by radar101 (LIBERALS = Hypocrisy and Fantasy)
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To: SmithL

Barbwire Boxer is very good at rude, shameful and cruel, these being her majors in college, and where she has concentrated her practice since then.


5 posted on 01/16/2007 8:20:28 AM PST by alloysteel (Proudly performing the feat of posting totally mindless responses to intelligent questions.)
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To: SmithL
Barbara Boxer, the House Bank Queen....

Barbara Boxer, infighter extrordinaire.

Bruce Hershenson knows too well..

6 posted on 01/16/2007 8:21:19 AM PST by prognostigaator
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To: SmithL
You're not going to pay a particular price, as I understand it, within immediate family.

Bad Quote Alert.

Everybody else quotes her as "You're not going to pay a particular price, as I understand it, with an immediate family."

7 posted on 01/16/2007 8:21:42 AM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Long Island Pete
Albright + Procreation = Full Body Shiver
8 posted on 01/16/2007 8:22:05 AM PST by gov_bean_ counter ( I am sitting under my cone of silence, inside a copper wire cage wearing a tin foil hat...)
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To: SmithL
"After the brouhaha, Boxer announced she would not apologize because, in confronting Rice, she was "speaking truth to power."

Another great example of Democrats in Congress pretending that someone else is governing the country.

9 posted on 01/16/2007 8:23:10 AM PST by Enterprise (Drop pork bombs on the Islamofascist wankers. Praise the Lord and pass the hammunition.)
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To: SmithL
Liberals complain conservatives are mean and intolerant. Then, with no irony whatsoever, they become all that they oppose in their adversaries.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

10 posted on 01/16/2007 8:23:24 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: radar101

I would suspect that the mom, in the article, who lost her son was mocked by her comments. As if no one would care about her child but her. Boxer managed to offend all kinds of people with her attack on Condi.


11 posted on 01/16/2007 8:23:54 AM PST by tioga
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To: SmithL

It would be an interesting study if somebody examined the exact service record of both sides of Boxer's family since they arrived off the boat. My guess is that it would be fairly meager, especially after 1973.


12 posted on 01/16/2007 8:24:51 AM PST by MSF BU
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To: TonyRo76
Anyway, this SFgate article deserves a loud and hefty BARF ALERT.

Did you read the article? I think the author hit the nail right on the head.

Other than the "pro-war" term - what was wrong with this article?

13 posted on 01/16/2007 8:25:55 AM PST by Tokra (I think I'll retire to Bedlam.)
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To: Long Island Pete
Nope, I think that would have been the appropriate response from Condi, "Sec. Albright didn't have children in the military when Clinton invaded Kosovo."

Of course, that would have sent the MSM into overdrive saying Condi trashed Albright.

14 posted on 01/16/2007 8:27:50 AM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: SmithL

15 posted on 01/16/2007 8:30:35 AM PST by Gritty (Liberals are spineless suckups.Don't insult my intelligence by telling me they're brave.-Ann Coulter)
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To: TonyRo76
Did you read the entire article?

It's a decent commentary from the SFgate that actually supports Sec. Rice.
16 posted on 01/16/2007 8:31:36 AM PST by FLOutdoorsman (The Man who says it can't be done should not interrupt the man doing it!)
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To: tioga
As if no one would care about her child but her.

The Trial Lawyer Party makes their money riding the backs of relatives suing over the loss of loved ones. There's an unwritten law that if someone loses a relative their losses are in the $10 million range, which is sufficient to sooth their pain. Trial Lawyers are against war because they can't successfully sue the government for $10 million a customer.

17 posted on 01/16/2007 8:35:44 AM PST by Reeses
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To: Enterprise

I was unaware that President Bush was a Democrat. Or that Congress had secretly been controlled by Democrats for the past 12 years.


18 posted on 01/16/2007 8:40:57 AM PST by pongjinn
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To: SmithL

"Now, the issue is who pays the price? I'm not going to pay a personal price. ....You're not going to pay a particular price, as I understand it, within immediate family."

The price she pays, besides being ridiculed in the media, is to have people like Barbara Boxer disparage her in the Senate.


20 posted on 01/16/2007 8:41:59 AM PST by Pete from Shawnee Mission
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