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To: Mr. Jeeves

Oh please.

I know plenty of "shy" men who are plenty manly. They just get all tied in knots when it comes to women. Sometimes because they're used to being rejected, others just because they have a poor self-image - often about looks, which is often engendered by all their peers when they grew up.

Dad, my husband....many of my cousins. Some of my husband's friends. These men are shy guys but not "wimps".

Give me a break. Apparently you all can't make the distinction.


416 posted on 01/17/2007 12:33:07 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel
They just get all tied in knots when it comes to women.

Oh, you mean they bought into the Disney/Church/MSM/Feminist/Socialist meme that women are Higher Beings who must always be obeyed and never spoken to by men unless addressed first? That kind of non-wimpiness? (LOL!) That's a pretty big "just"...

There are a fair number of women who misguidedly love having most men act "shy" of them, since it allows them to maintain the illusion that they can assert control over their relationships. They always end up paying for that in some way.

418 posted on 01/17/2007 12:47:54 PM PST by Mr. Jeeves ("When the government is invasive, the people are wanting." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: the OlLine Rebel; Mr. Jeeves
re: shyness

Shyness certainly doesn't mean weakness. A shy man can be (and often are) very strong in their own way.

The issue here is more about sex appeal. That is, a shy guy will be diminished in sexual stature by a more engaging man. This is really only true in the courtship phase: if a woman meets several men and one is shy and one is engaging, more likely than not the engaging guy is going to talk her up, make her laugh, and then ask her out. The shy guy doesn't get out of the starting gate. Of course the shy guy is rejected: he is barely in the running.

This need not have much to do with weakness, thought it certainly could. The thing is that a shy person is unable to make their case, or at least is severely handicapped when it comes to making their case.

I don't blame women for generally passing these guys by. It takes no great courage to walk up to a woman and say hi and chat her up. Women know that. A guy who is scared of women has no sex appeal. Women admire men who see what they want and go for it. They don't want a boor, but a man who is afraid of saying hello to a woman is just unimpressive to most women, on balance.
445 posted on 01/17/2007 6:45:29 PM PST by HitmanLV (Rock, Rock, Rock and Rollergames! Rockin' & Rolling, Rockin' with Rollergames!)
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