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To: dfwgator
"I was pointing out the double standard that making Nazi symbols is worthy of being banned, whereas Commie symbols are given a pass, even though both systems were evil."

I understood that. The main difference between the two was that communism was an equal opportunity murderer and Nazism targeted specific ethnic groups for extermination. Both ideologies were killers, just with different styles.

It's just that, if I saw someone forming a human "hammer and sickle" today, I'd think that they were just morons, and not a real threat to anyone because communism is pretty much dead. Whereas Nazi symbols inspire fear, because the Nazis don't have to be in power to start targeting people for harrassment, hate-mongering and death -- they just have to exist in order to be a perceived threat.

9 posted on 01/16/2007 12:45:11 PM PST by Bokababe ( http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: Bokababe

"because communism is pretty much dead. Whereas Nazi symbols inspire fear, because the Nazis don't have to be in power to start targeting people for harrassment, hate-mongering and death -- they just have to exist in order to be a perceived threat."

What is the practical meaning of "communism", but (1) a state, (2)with a Marxist-oriented party exercising monopoly political control, (3)wherein the state and that party are defacto one and the same, (4) where state control by that party, as well the dispensing of priveleges by the state-party is 100% and (5)brooks 0% dissent.

China is still very much a communist country and is using its booming economy, which operates as state-capitalism, to export its political and economic version of communism through the political friends it is buying and subverting through its foreign aid and trade agreements.

In spite of the ignorant western public's view of China's economy, and in spite of a Chinese "stock market", there is not a major Chinese company, whether it sells stock to the public or not, where the party or some office or unit of the government does not "own" the "majority interest", control or actually are the "board of directors" and do in fact control the company. As short as three years ago, even the travel industry in China was 2/3 owned and/or controlled by the Army in China. China's political economic model of state-capitalism has its closest historical equivalent in Nazi Germany - state controls everything and extreme nationalism is used to as the foil for everything the dictatorship wants to do. Inside China the people know that every "economic freedom" they participate in now is no more than a privelege granted by the dictators, not a right.

The Marxist Chavez in Venezuela is nationalizing all "critical" industries, imprisoning opposition politicians, closing the opposition press and running sham "elections"; while providing arms and oil-money aid to Marxist's coming to power in South America; and making political, economicand military ties with China, Cuba and Iran.

The Marxist Sandinistas have been "elected" in Nicaragua and immediately cemented their "farternal" ties with Chavez and other DICTATORS.

Putin IS the KGB and every week adds another aspect of the economy and society of Russia to what the Kremlin controls directly.

Marxist American professors dominate the college professional organization of American Historians and teach and preach their Marxist-revisionist form of "history" (America is an evil, military, capitalist-imperialist empire-enterprise that is responsible for more death and destruction than any government on earth- so they teach).

The entire edifice of the left's use of activist judges in the American judiciary is nothing other than modern, legal-system version of the "vanguard of the proletariet" and it was dreamed up by American Marxists in the early part of the 1900s as a way to circumvent the democratic process, to a)use the courts to impose what they could never get the people to vote into law, b)while unbinding the judiciary from the written Constitution - creating a judicial oligarchy to serve the reigning political elite - the left.

The lead agents, organizers, fund-raisers at the core of the "immigration reform" demonstrations is an organization named A.N.S.W.E.R. They (their founders and leaders) are, politically speaking, the children and grandchildren of American Bolsheviks who left the American Communist Party when it abandoned Stalin and they would not. The members of that same outfit have been at the core of every "anti-war" movement from the Vietnam era to now.

Putin IS the KGB and every week adds another aspect of the economy and society of Russia to what the Kremlin controls directly.

I could go on and on about the "communists" who now live and work openly in and around the current national Democrats.

Some in Europe are now beginning to see the resurrection of the international left's totalitarian ambitions in what the "EU" elites and their supranational organization are becoming; which, to many of us American conservatives, was a forgone conclusion.

Communism is not dead. Trough intellectual appeasement of Marxist concepts and political subversion by admitted Marxists and their idiot fellow travelers among "liberals" it has been mainstreamed throughout the west.

To get a start on just a small slice of this, read the books of David Horowitz for a start.


52 posted on 01/17/2007 7:49:10 PM PST by Wuli
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To: Bokababe
In addition to your points , it must be pointed out that the Italian fans had unfurled a country's flag . A flag . That's it . It'd been unfurled at countless sports events in the past , in New York outside the UN building , etc , with no problems .

The Croat fans formed a giant swastika . A giant swastika .

Now , see how long you'd last , in , say , Brooklyn or Tel Aviv . I'd give you , oh , a good 5 seconds before being strung up from the nearest lamp post

The difference is important .

54 posted on 01/17/2007 10:49:50 PM PST by infidel_pride
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