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Top officers reprimanded in incident in which two sailors died
Virginia Pilot ^ | 1/16/7 | KATE WILTROUT

Posted on 01/16/2007 3:11:34 PM PST by SmithL

The Navy announced today that punitive letters of reprimand have been issued to the commanding and executive officers of a Norfolk-based submarine that lost two sailors in a fatal accident.

The sailors died Dec. 29 after the Minneapolis-St. Paul pulled away from its mooring at the Devonport Naval Base in southern England. They were among four men swept overboard in heavy seas while working on the deck as the boat headed for the English Channel.

Senior Chief Petty Officer Thomas Higgins, 45, the chief of the boat, or “cob,” and Petty Officer 2nd class Michael Holtz, 30, perished in the water. The two others were rescued.

Rear Adm. Jeff Fowler ruled Tuesday that the commanding and executive officers deserved punitive letters of reprimand, said Lt. Chris Servello, a spokesman for the Navy’s Sixth Fleet.

The boat is commanded by Cmdr. Edwin Ruff. At the time of the incident, Lt. Cmdr. Peter Young was the executive officer.

Fowler considered but dismissed charges against three other sailors - two officers and a chief petty officer, Servello said.

“The facts of the investigation led the admiral to determine non-judicial punishment was warranted,” for the sub’s top two officers, Servello said in a phone interview from Naples.

Servello said Fowler, the commander of Submarine Group Eight, appointed a Navy captain with submarine experience to lead the preliminary investigation. Findings from a second, safety investigation - designed to avoid future risks, not determine blame for accidents or deaths - have not been released.

The Navy did not disclose what specific actions or lack of actions led to the reprimands.

“The team reviewed the incidents of the day, looked at the weather, interviewed crew members and witnesses in Plymouth harbor, then reported their findings to the admiral,” Servello said.

Fowler’s ruling now goes to the Sixth Fleet commanderr, then to the commander of the U.S. Navy’s submarine force in Norfolk. Either could uphold or disagree with the findings and punishments.

Though Ruff remains in command of the Minneapolis-St. Paul, now in port in Rota, Spain, a punitive letter of reprimand often signals the end of an officer’s advancement.

According to Navy promotion board records, Ruff was selected and approved for promotion to captain last year to take effect in late 2007.

The sub’s XO, or executive officer, was previously scheduled to rotate off the boat anyway to take a new assignment, Servello said. Citing privacy reasons, Servello would not release his name, but a Navy website listed the second-in-command as Young.

The Navy has parallel systems for dealing with sailors accused of crimes, cause accidents due to negligence or deliberate malfeasance, or disobey orders.

They can be charged with violating the Uniform Code of Military Justice, and tried through a court-martial. Or a commanding officer can choose to deal with the matter non-judicially, in what’s called a “captain’s mast” or “admiral’s mast.”

A punitive letter of reprimand is a fault-finding document. Non-punitive letters of reprimand note a deficiency, but are not considered punishment.


TOPICS: Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: michaelholtz; thomashiggins; ussminneapolisstpaul
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1 posted on 01/16/2007 3:11:36 PM PST by SmithL
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To: SmithL

SOP


2 posted on 01/16/2007 3:12:13 PM PST by battlegearboat
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To: Doohickey; judicial meanz; submarinerswife; PogySailor; chasio649; gobucks; Bottom_Gun; Dog Gone; ..

Submarine Ping


3 posted on 01/16/2007 3:12:29 PM PST by SmithL (Where are we going? . . . . And why are we in this handbasket????)
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To: SmithL

Info.


4 posted on 01/16/2007 3:15:41 PM PST by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: SmithL
Having never earned a rank higher than SP5 I'm not sure how this works.Does this mean that the officers in question are required to...or expected to...leave the Navy? I assume that it would bring their chances of future promotions down to just about zero.
5 posted on 01/16/2007 3:16:03 PM PST by Gay State Conservative ("The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism."-Karl Marx)
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To: Gay State Conservative

Their careers are over--In the Navy it's up or out, and there will be NO future advancement for these officers.


6 posted on 01/16/2007 3:17:27 PM PST by rottndog (While reading this tag, remember Tens of Thousands of Americans are risking their lives for you.)
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To: rottndog
Their careers are over--In the Navy it's up or out, and there will be NO future advancement for these officers.

Yes,I assume that "up or out" is pretty much SOP in all the services these days.But if either of them are,for example,close to their 20 or 30 year marks could they continue in uniform until they reach that mark or are they expected (or required) to resign immediately?

7 posted on 01/16/2007 3:23:07 PM PST by Gay State Conservative ("The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism."-Karl Marx)
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To: SmithL; Doohickey

ping


8 posted on 01/16/2007 3:24:22 PM PST by rwa265
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To: Gay State Conservative

No, they can stay in and serve on active duty until they are denied promotion, at which time they can resign/retire, or be administratively separated from the Navy.


9 posted on 01/16/2007 3:25:07 PM PST by rottndog (While reading this tag, remember Tens of Thousands of Americans are risking their lives for you.)
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To: Gay State Conservative
BTW, if I'm not mistaken, unless it's war time, officers can resign their commission anytime.
10 posted on 01/16/2007 3:26:27 PM PST by rottndog (While reading this tag, remember Tens of Thousands of Americans are risking their lives for you.)
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To: SmithL

Wow. Who woulda thunk it?


11 posted on 01/16/2007 3:27:49 PM PST by toddlintown (Six bullets and Lennon goes down. Yet not one hit Yoko. Discuss.)
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According to Navy promotion board records, Ruff was selected and approved for promotion to captain last year to take effect in late 2007.

Not anymore.

12 posted on 01/16/2007 3:29:50 PM PST by Centurion2000 (Judges' orders cannot stop determined criminals. Firearms and the WILL to use them can.)
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To: rottndog
Great tag.

Officers can submit a letter of resignation at any time. However, the Navy can keep the officer on active duty for some time. The release point is typically the scheduled rotation date of the current tour.
13 posted on 01/16/2007 3:39:27 PM PST by Jacquerie (Scotus is neither a check nor balance. It aids and abets unconstitutional government.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

A career ender. Both officers will be transferred to a shore command and they will put their papers in for retirement and they will be processed with all deliberate speed. No one wants an officer around with a confidence problem and no chance for promotion. Creates a morale problem. The XO really gets screwed. He probably had 15 years in and wont make 20 to draw a pension. Ruff was commissioned in 1986 so he is just over the line.


14 posted on 01/16/2007 3:40:21 PM PST by tomcorn
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To: SmithL

I'd like to read the charges before drawing any conclusions. CSG-8 has no boats own and are notorious for trying to burn the ones that come under their OPCON. I used to keep a sign in my radio shack that said (in the style of "I heart NY") "I H8 CSG-8".


15 posted on 01/16/2007 3:46:41 PM PST by Doohickey (I am not unappeasable. YOU are just too easily appeased.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

Not expected to resign, no.


16 posted on 01/16/2007 3:49:25 PM PST by RightOnline
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To: tomcorn; Centurion2000

From the Laws of the Navy, Rear Admiral Ronald A. Hopwood, Royal Navy 1896.

Count not upon certain promotion
But rather to gain it aspire;
Though the sightline may end on the target
There cometh perchance the miss-fire.

Uncharted the rocks that surround thee,
Take heed that the channels thou learn,
Lest thy name serve to buoy for another
That shoal, the Courts-Martial Return.


17 posted on 01/16/2007 3:52:04 PM PST by Jacquerie (Rum, sodomy and the lash. The good old days.)
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To: Centurion2000

LCDR Peter Young, (BLUE) was designated "qualified for submarine command" last July. Looks he he was headed for his own boat. Not anymore. He will have spent 15 years in the Navy and will leave without a pension.


18 posted on 01/16/2007 3:52:13 PM PST by tomcorn
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To: Doohickey
Fowler’s ruling now goes to the Sixth Fleet commander, then to the commander of the U.S. Navy’s submarine force in Norfolk. Either could uphold or disagree with the findings and punishments.

Based on your experiences, how likely is it that the punishments are not upheld?

And even if they aren't upheld, will either officer ever get another promotion?

And at that level, how many shots at a promotion does an officer get before being forced out?

19 posted on 01/16/2007 4:03:59 PM PST by SmithL (Where are we going? . . . . And why are we in this handbasket????)
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To: SmithL

My husband served with Thomas Higgins. They worked together in Connecticut about 9 years ago. What a hard way to go...for everyone.


20 posted on 01/16/2007 4:16:57 PM PST by Dianna
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