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To: Schichtel

Obama and his wife are Unitarians, and are members of Chicago's Trinity United Church of Christ.


7 posted on 01/17/2007 2:37:39 PM PST by Zeroisanumber (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: Zeroisanumber
"Obama and his wife are Unitarians, and are members of Chicago's Trinity United Church of Christ."

Unitarianism is a liberal social club.......not a religeous sect.

12 posted on 01/17/2007 2:48:32 PM PST by Godebert
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To: Zeroisanumber; Schichtel
Obama and his wife are Unitarians, and are members of Chicago's Trinity United Church of Christ.

They may be small u unitarians, but not Unitarians with a big U, as the Unitarian-Universalists and the United Church of Christ are different denominations. The Punahou School that Obama graduated from is non-sectarian, but historically UCC.

Snopes.com has a page "debunking" the claims made about Obama. I don't know if they're right. They have their own agenda.

But it does look biased to discribe his mother outright as an atheist. She's not a believer in a distinct creed, more the sort of person who'd describe herself as a "seeker" or as someone who distrusts fixed dogmas and tries to appreciate the best in various religions. Some people may take that for atheism, but that looks like a stretch.

By contrast, Obama has described his father as an atheist, though he didn't really know him. In some e-mails, Obama Sr's been described as a Muslim radical. He had been born a Muslim and was radical in the sense of being against British imperial rule in Africa, but whether he was a "Muslim radical" in today's sense of the word is less established and far less likely.

One thing about the official story that does grate is the description of Obama's father as a "goatherd." He may have been that at one point, but he was a senior economist for the Kenyan government when he died. A politician justifiably claiming humble origins is one thing, but falsifying the record about his parents to make them look lowly is another. It's not like Obama rose from subsistence agriculture to the Senate himself.

25 posted on 01/17/2007 3:13:48 PM PST by x
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To: Zeroisanumber
Obama and his wife are Unitarians, and are members of Chicago's Trinity United Church of Christ.

It's not possible to be both a Unitarian and a Trinitarian. Also, the very title of "Christ" is not compatible with Unitarianism.

There's some discussion of his church here, at Wikipedia. It seems to be generally accurate:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Church_of_Christ

I obviously can't say whether his membership in this church is a matter of good faith or a matter of political convenience. I still find it troubling that he is essentially a foreigner, although he has technical citizenship from birth; that he is a long-time Muslim; and that he is an extreme leftist. This background does not encourage me to trust him any further than, as the proverb goes, I can kick him.

35 posted on 01/17/2007 3:39:00 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Zeroisanumber

Yes but he came from a muslim familiy and was muslim for 25 years. We all know the rules about islam and converting to another religion.


39 posted on 01/17/2007 4:05:17 PM PST by MARKUSPRIME
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