Posted on 01/17/2007 4:24:55 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
Besides, once the invaders become proficent in mine detection,avoidance and disarming, we can ship them to Iraq to earn their citizenship. :)
It's 'compassionate conservatism': citizenship with job training!
But you should really look at my 'in forum' column, I've been all over this issue.
Bit off topic, but did you know Bare Bottoms, Barry Seals uhhh 'flying partner'?
We are losing our souls due to anger at our opposition.
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It's part of how we will in the end, bite it, so to speak.
No nation has survived the ages, not even the wondrous works of our Founding Fathers is impervious to the frailties of the human condition and those who prey and play on it for their own purposes.
The coming 2008 election will likely be the defining event that will reveal the true nature and depth of the deceptions we have been made to endure as our slide quickens into the abyss of history.
We can all then embrace victimhood as we will be nothing more than just that, victims of guile and treachery at the hands of our own.
I wish the agents and the families well and also strength and resolve to make it thru the years as best they can.
United States Attorney Johnny Sutton, Western District of Texas
MYTH VS. REALITY–THE FACTS OF WHY THE GOVERNMENT PROSECUTED AGENTS COMPEAN AND RAMOS
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Myth: THE AGENTS WERE JUST DOING THEIR JOBS
Reality: Securing our nation’s borders can be a tough and dangerous job. Often, Border Patrol agents find themselves in difficult and dangerous situations. We give them guns and allow them to defend themselves. Border Patrol training allows for the use of deadly force when an agent reasonably fears imminent bodily injury or death. An agent is not permitted to shoot an unarmed suspect who is running away.
There was no credible evidence that the agents were in a life-threatening situation or that Aldrete, the Mexican alien, had a weapon that would justify the use of deadly force. In fact, Border Patrol Agent Juarez, who was at the scene, testified at trial that he did not draw his pistol because he did not believe there was a threat. He also testified that Aldrete did not have a weapon and was almost to Mexico when Agent Compean began firing at him.
In America, law enforcement officers do not get to shoot unarmed suspects who are running away, lie about it to their supervisors and file official reports that are false. That is a crime and prosecutors cannot look the other way.
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Myth: THE GOVERNMENT LET A DRUG SMUGGLER GO FREE
Reality: My office would have much preferred to see Aldrete convicted and sent to prison for his crimes. We are in the business of putting guys like Aldrete behind bars. In fact, this office leads the nation in the number of drug smuggling cases we prosecute. Because the agents could not identify him, found no fingerprints, could not tie him to the van and did not apprehend him after shooting him, the case against Aldrete could not be proven.
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Myth: THESE BORDER PATROL AGENTS SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN PROSECUTED
Reality: The crimes committed by these agents rise to the level of felonies and are not mere administrative oversights. This was not a simple case of discharge of a firearm that was not reported. The truth of this case is that Agents Compean and Ramos shot 15 times at an unarmed man who was running away from them and who posed no threat.
This office cannot ignore these agents’ crimes just because the person they shot turned out to be a drug smuggler. Our system of justice requires that a person be tried in a court of law before he is punished. We do not permit police officers to summarily punish those whom the officers think have committed crimes. A police officer cannot shoot at an unarmed suspect who does not pose an immediate serious threat to the life of the officer or a bystander.
In order to maintain the rule of law, federal prosecutors cannot look the other way when law enforcement officers shoot unarmed suspects who are running away, then lie about it to their supervisors and file official reports that are false.
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Myth: ALDRETE HAS BEEN ARRESTED FOR SMUGGLING MORE DRUGS INTO THE UNITED STATES
Reality: Aldrete has not been subsequently arrested for drug smuggling. Our office is in the business of prosecuting drug traffickers and alien smugglers. We are on the front lines of this battle and we aggressively prosecute these criminals every day in court. In fact, the Western District of Texas leads the nation in the number of individuals we prosecute for illegally smuggling drugs into this country. If we had a provable case against Aldrete, we would prosecute him.
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Myth: THE GOVERNMENT GAVE ALDRETE BLANKET IMMUNITY FOR HIS CRIMES
Reality: Agent Compean failed to arrest Aldrete when he attempted to surrender; instead, Compean tried to hit Aldrete with the butt of his shotgun, at which time Aldrete began to run towards the border. The agents shot at him 15 times, hitting him once, knocking Aldrete to the ground.
Compean and Ramos chose not to walk over to the wounded Aldrete and arrest him; rather, they re-holstered their guns, turned around and left the scene. When Aldrete then got back to Mexico without having been apprehended and identified, there was no longer any way to tie him to the load of marijuana, except through his own admissions.
Prosecutors promised Aldrete they would not use his truthful statements and testimony to prosecute him for the events that occurred on Feb. 17, 2005. Prosecutors around the country routinely make similar representations to obtain crucial testimony. This type of “use immunity” does not give blanket immunity for any crimes he may have committed or may commit in the future. If there were other admissible evidence besides his own statements sufficient to convict him, he could be prosecuted for the offense he describes.
As a practical matter, the promise to Aldrete gave up very little since the case against him was not prosecutable. There was no way to prosecute Aldrete while he was in Mexico. He could not have forced him to come back to the United States to be prosecuted, and there was no evidence against him until he agreed to cooperate.
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Myth: ALDRETE HAD A GUN AND THE AGENTS ONLY FIRED IN SELF DEFENSE
Reality: Trial testimony from other Border Patrol agents who were at the scene and who arrived shortly after the shooting shows that this is not true. Testimony further revealed that Agents Compean and Ramos never took cover nor did they ever warn the other agents to take cover. This action demonstrates that they did not perceive a threat.
In his statement to investigators, Compean admitted that Aldrete had attempted to surrender with both hands open and in the air.
Had Agents Compean and Ramos truly believed Aldrete was a threat, they would not have abandoned him after the shooting and they would have warned their fellow agents who arrived at the scene to stay out of the open while an armed suspect was on the loose. If the agents had believed that the shooting was justified then they would have left the crime scene undisturbed and let the investigation absolve them.
The agents knew that Aldrete did not have a weapon and they knew he posed no threat to them as he fled. Agent Juarez also testified that Aldrete was surrendering to Compean with his hands open and empty palms turned to Compean.
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Myth: THE AGENTS WERE NOT SURE OF WHAT THEY SAW BECAUSE IT WAS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT
Reality: The events of Feb. 17, 2005, occurred at approximately 1:00 P.M MT.
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Myth: JOHNNY SUTTON IS AN OVERZEALOUS PROSECUTOR WHO IS ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THE LAW
Reality: These agents were found guilty by a unanimous jury in a United States District Court after a trial that lasted more than two and a half weeks.
The two agents were represented by experienced and aggressive trial attorneys, both of whom vigorously challenged the Government’s evidence through cross examination.
Both agents told their stories from the witness stand and had full opportunities to explain their version of events and to offer their own evidence. The jury heard everything including the defendants’ claims of self defense. The problem for Agents Compean and Ramos is that the jury did not believe their stories because they were not true.
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Myth: THESE AGENTS ARE FACING TOO MUCH TIME IN FEDERAL PRISON
Reality: Congress determined the penalties imposed on Compean and Ramos by setting the punishment for discharging a firearm during a crime of violence at a mandatory minimum of ten years (on top of any other sentence imposed). Congress did not make an exception for law enforcement officers.
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Myth: THE DRUG SMUGGLER WAS AWARDED A GREEN CARD
Reality: Aldrete was not given a green card which would enable him to have permanent legal resident status in this country. A military physician in the United States removed the bullet from Aldrete because it was an important piece of evidence and because the law requires the government to render such assistance. In order to have the bullet removed, meet with federal investigators and to testify in court in El Paso, he was entitled to come into the United States on a limited basis within a limited geographical area and only for those purposes. The last time he was legally allowed to enter the United States was in February 2006.
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Myth: ALDRETE NEVER HAD HIS HANDS UP AND WAS NOT ATTEMPTING TO SURRENDER
Reality: In their sworn testimony, Agent Compean and Agent Juarez both testified that Aldrete did have his hands in the air in an effort to surrender.
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Myth: COMPEAN WAS BLOODIED FROM A STRUGGLE WITH ALDRETE
Reality: Trial testimony showed that the only blood on Agent Compean was between his thumb and forefinger and was a result of him improperly holding his weapon. When asked if he was injured, he said “no” and when further asked if he wanted to file a report for his injury, he again said “no.”
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Myth: THESE AGENTS DID NOT REPORT THE SHOOTING TO SUPERVISORS BECAUSE THE SUPERVISORS WERE ON THE SCENE OF THE SHOOTING
Reality: The trial testimony of the defendants, fellow Border Patrol agents who were on the scene and who arrived shortly thereafter, as well as taped radio communications showed that there were no supervisors at the scene at the time of the shooting. The agents knew they must report any discharge of a firearm and had just received training to this effect the day before this shooting. Further, Agent Ramos was a Border Patrol firearms instructor and a member of the evidence recovery team. He was well aware of this requirement as he had taught this to other agents. They did not report the discharge
because they knew the shooting was not justified.
Furthermore, based on their training and experience, they were aware of what law enforcement resources would be dispatched to the crime scene to investigate a shooting, including sector evidence team, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and state and local law enforcement.
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Myth: ILLEGAL ALIENS DO NOT HAVE ANY CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS
Reality: The courts have held that the 4th Amendment to the Constitution protects all persons in the United States whether they are here legally or illegally. It is a violation of the 4th Amendment to shoot an unarmed person who poses no threat to the shooter. This law applies regardless of immigration status.
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Myth: AGENT RAMOS CLAIMS THAT THE BULLET EXTRACTED FROM ALDRETE MIGHT NOT HAVE COME FROM HIS SERVICE REVOLVER
Reality: Agent Ramos stipulated and agreed before trial that the bullet extracted from Aldrete came from his service weapon. Independent forensic analysis also showed that the bullet extracted from Aldrete matched Agent Ramos’ weapon.
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Myth: AGENT RAMOS WAS BORDER PATROL AGENT OF THE YEAR
Reality: Agent Ramos has never received any formal recognition or award for being the Border Patrol Agent of the year. In fact, he has been arrested on at least two occasions for domestic abuse and was formally disciplined for conduct unbecoming a federal officer.
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Here is some cheap talk for you::::::: WHY DOES NO ONE ENFORCE IMMIGRATION LAWS???????? aren't those rules of law??????? WHY DO THOSE LAWS NOT MATTER? WHEN YOU FREAKIN FOLLOW THOSE LAWS, THEN YOU CAN PANDER TO AN ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT DRUG SMUGGLER WHO WAS SHOT IN THE BUTT. If the freakin immigration laws were enforced this would have been much less likely to happen. WHY DOESN'T THAT LAW MATTER TO ANYONE? I don't freakin care if the guy got shot in the butt, WHY DID US OFFICIALS GO FIND HIM TO FIND CHARGES AND GIVE IMMUNITY TO A FREAKIN DRUG SMUGGLER? If 80% or more of politicians did not pander and coddle illegal immigrants, this may not have happened. And now he is suing and will end up a multimillionaire.
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I hope that they will serve as an example to their fellow agents, by showing them that anyone can make a mistake, but if you try to cover up that mistake, it is very hard to defend your actions.
Your post should be a sticky on the main page.
anyone not make a mistake while doing their current jobs????
Time for Bush to issue pardons.
No understand english, my neighbor is typing this for me, could you please make all further article in FR in Spanish? My wife and 7 kids are here in America illegally. I would like too thank the American people for paying the bill for my sons visit too the Hospital, it cost us nothing. Thankyou America, more are coming. <sarc off
Well, if someone would begin by telling the public the truth; than perhaps we could understand.
The examination of the President's pattern of past pardons, roughly 99, reveals a distinct pattern.
1. The pardoned offenders' crimes are non-serious, misdemeanors.
2. The crimes have been committed serveral years ago.
3. Offenders have served their sentences and paid their debt to society.
4. Offenders displayed remorse, repentance, and willingness to make amends.
5. Since their sentencing, they have not reoffended and maintained good standing within society.
The 2 BP agents simply do not meet enough of the criterias for the President's pardon
You're kidding, right?
What makes you think Hillary/Obama will do any better? Or McCain or Giuliani, on the far outside chance either gets elected? Certainly, the Democrat Congress with even greater numbers isn't going to help.
If you think I exaggerate, just look at the disarray the GOP is in. It not only can't find it's @ss with either hand, but still hasn't figured out why it got creamed in 2006 - and is acting accordingly.
This disgrace, following as it does the Berger disgrace, is making Bush look like a real idiot. Bush better get his head out of his behind real fast.
The way this forum has decided to attack the President is a disgrace. He is the one honorable man out there, trying to do the right thing. We may not agree with him, but slamming him for not pardoning a couple of convicted felons who tried to cover up their crime, is beyond the pale.
We are losing our souls, I tell you. We need to get over our anger and get back to thinking, not just reacting like dogs with a bone.
Does that apply to the government or are they above such things?
For decades the federal government has failed to enforce the laws against illegals.
If only Bush and the rest of the federal government would so vigorously enforce laws against illegals and enforcing the border as they were in persecuting these two agents.
You are making my point.
Our frustration and anger is making us crazy. We lost the election. It is time to suck it up, stop pointing fingers, and gain some pragmatism and common sense.
You can gain more attention from a whisper, than from yelling at the top of your lungs.
The government has failed at the border for 40 years, but now that it is a political issue, Bush is supposed to fix it all by himself?
Reagan didn't fix it, nobody fixed it, yet because we are pissed off, we blame it on Bush?
Be sure to post the agents side of the argument as well.
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