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He used to call it a tax, now it's a fee: Arnold's gross dishonesty
San Diego Union-Tribune ^ | 01-16-2007 | Chris Reed

Posted on 01/18/2007 8:23:17 AM PST by Amerigomag

During the governor's race, Schwarzenegger relentlessly accused Phil Angelides of wanting to raise taxes. The largest share of that total was an Angelides backed mandate businesses to provide health care for their workers. Angelides complanied that the mandate wasn't a tax; the governor's aides insisted it was.

That's from a story in today's Mercury-News. Of course, Schwarzenegger now insists that his push to pay for his health-insurance plan by having companies with 10 or more employees who do not provide health insurance pay a "fee"' of 4 percent of their payrolls, hospitals pay a "fee" of 4 percent of revenues and doctors pay a "fee" of 2 percent of revenues doesn't amount to raising taxes.

This is gross dishonesty. No amount of semantic spin about "shared responsibilities" can change the fact that Arnold is going back on his no-new-taxes pledge of the 2006 gubernatorial campaign.

I talked to Kim Belshe, secretary of the state Health and Human Services Agency, this afternoon. I said I found it amazing that anyone could say with a straight face that adding a direct cost to businesses amounted to a fee instead of tax. She said she could do it.

Mark David (Schwarzenegger's campaign spokesman) is now working for the McCain for president campaign. I look forward to trying to put him on the spot and ask what he thinks about the new Schwarzenegger definition of tax. I bet the last thing McCain wants is for an aide to defend, however indirectly, using semantic evasions to make it possible to raise taxes. (Arnold's plan surely dies if it has to win two-thirds support in the Legislature, as is required for tax hikes.) If anyone has David's e-mail address, please share it.

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TOPICS: US: California
KEYWORDS: arnoldcare; callingallilk; dishonesty; schwarzenegger; taxes
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If you lie down with dogs you'll probably get their fleas. Go to bed with a European liberal and the malady could be much worse.
1 posted on 01/18/2007 8:23:19 AM PST by Amerigomag
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To: Amerigomag

RINO.


2 posted on 01/18/2007 8:24:35 AM PST by EagleUSA
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To: Amerigomag

Arnold has totally gone over to the dark side.


3 posted on 01/18/2007 8:24:36 AM PST by Parley Baer
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To: Amerigomag

I told everyone not to vote for that guy nobody listened
to me not only that he's gonna bail out the picker packers


4 posted on 01/18/2007 8:25:41 AM PST by al baby (Hi mom)
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To: Amerigomag
It used to be "Contributions"...Guess "Fee" is this years buzzword.


5 posted on 01/18/2007 8:26:53 AM PST by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: Parley Baer

Yes, during the election he ran on a no-tax-increase, controlled spending platform. A lie.

Regardless, voting for him was a choice between being PARTIALLY taxed to death, and COMPLETELY taxed to death by Angelides.


6 posted on 01/18/2007 8:27:20 AM PST by EagleUSA
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To: Amerigomag

Arnold's media wife has been training him how to parse words.


7 posted on 01/18/2007 8:28:53 AM PST by what's up
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To: Amerigomag

The worst vote I ever cast was for this fraud...to my everlasting shame. He's going to be the death of this state with his Maria-care scheme. Grow some balls and tell your idiotic emmaciated space alien of a wife that no one elected her to anything and to keep the hell out of the governance of this state. All this crap is coming out of that Kennedy tramp.

Fraud-nold didn't run on this in the election campaign last year. This is a total act of bait and switch. He knows he'd have lost 2/3rds of the Republican vote, mine included, if he had.


8 posted on 01/18/2007 8:31:48 AM PST by MikeA (Nancy Pelosi: The Speaker of the News Media)
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To: Amerigomag
I said I found it amazing that anyone could say with a straight face that adding a direct cost to businesses amounted to a fee instead of tax. She said she could do it.

Of course they can do it! Otherwise they wouldn't.
That's why taxes never have a limit. The bureaucrats keep increasing them because they can.

The courts aren't much help. Hell, in the last couple of decades the courts have invented some of the largest tax increases of all!

Ignorance is not new, and we get the government we deserve. Half the population of taxpayers don't remember what happened after Prop 13 passed overwhelmingly. The other half seem not to care. Or perhaps it is that increasingly the non-payers are outnumbering the payers, so naturally there is no reason whatsoever not to vote for further increases. It's free money!

Perhaps the clearest example is real estate taxes on property that for generations has paid for no services whatsoever. When, after 100 years, it is finally developed with new homes, each home proposed is taxed an amount which would have bought the entire lot and property 40 years ago!

Why? Bottom line is because they can. What is the reason given? To pay for existing and needed expansion of "infrastructure". So the new home owners get to pay at least twice.
And before Prop 13, everyone else in the immediate neighborhood had their Real Estate taxes doubled or tripled in the process. Because they could.

9 posted on 01/18/2007 8:37:56 AM PST by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: EagleUSA
voting for him was a choice between being PARTIALLY taxed to death, and COMPLETELY taxed to death by Angelides.

Therein lies the problem. The profound belief that there are only limited choices in an election. The well worn partisan hook; Not voting for S is a vote for A.

The facts are that there were over a dozen qualified candidates that ran for governor. That the electorate chose to fall into the partisan trap left California in its present dilemma.

The next time around, vote for the qualified candidate that best represents your beliefs. A 15%, plurality governor is a political eunuch.

10 posted on 01/18/2007 8:39:50 AM PST by Amerigomag
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To: MikeA
The worst vote I ever cast was for this fraud...to my everlasting shame.

I remember seeing you on the pre-election threads. Don't say you weren't warned.

11 posted on 01/18/2007 8:41:55 AM PST by LexBaird (98% satisfaction guaranteed. There's just no pleasing some people.)
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To: Amerigomag
A moderate can make taxes go away with a few word changes and claim he's still not raising taxes! Being a moderate means you can have your cake and eat it, too.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

12 posted on 01/18/2007 8:43:11 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Parley Baer

He lives with a Kennedy and has them on his staff. Did anyone expect anything different from him?


13 posted on 01/18/2007 8:45:27 AM PST by oldironsides
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To: MikeA

I never could understand the attraction which Republicans, especially conservatives, had for the Austrian Action Hero. Sure, Reagan had come from the movies, but had also spent years studying and speaking on conservatism before moving into the arena of politics. But Schwarzenegger's election always struck me as some kind of pop culture transition from harmless fictional destruction to the real thing.


14 posted on 01/18/2007 8:47:00 AM PST by Emmett McCarthy
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To: Amerigomag

Huh? But Arnold said "I am not a politician." Heard it with my own ears.


15 posted on 01/18/2007 8:48:44 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Emmett McCarthy

It wasn't his being an actor that attracted me, and I doubt that was it for most of us. I never really much cared for him as an actor. It was that Graft Davis was so awful and the possibility of having at least a semi-conservative Republican as governor to break the Democrats' monopoly on government here made me willing to overlook his short-comings in the hope we could maybe revive the Republican party in California by electing a Republican governor. Now as it turns out we just ended up with another Democrat as that ass Warren Beatty even brags of after only a couple years of having a Republican governor.


16 posted on 01/18/2007 8:52:36 AM PST by MikeA (Nancy Pelosi: The Speaker of the News Media)
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To: Publius6961

"Or perhaps it is that increasingly the non-payers are outnumbering the payers,...."

And there you have it.


17 posted on 01/18/2007 8:56:47 AM PST by sheana
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To: Amerigomag

18 posted on 01/18/2007 8:58:45 AM PST by Gritty (If you're a genuine cultural relativist you're about to get the opportunity to walk the walk-Mark St)
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To: MikeA

I can see where there was a sense of desperation after the Davis regime.


19 posted on 01/18/2007 9:04:14 AM PST by Emmett McCarthy
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To: al baby
not only that he's gonna bail out the picker packers

Arnold likes spending other people's money.

Citrus freeze leaves thousands jobless

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger said the state would offer assistance to all affected laborers, regardless of their immigration status.

"Everyone will get help," he said Tuesday. "We are not here collecting immigration statuses."

The governor's press secretary, Aaron McLear, elaborated on Schwarzenegger's comment Wednesday, saying the promised assistance for illegal immigrants included food programs, temporary housing, low-income energy assistance and other social services — but not unemployment insurance.


20 posted on 01/18/2007 9:11:29 AM PST by DumpsterDiver
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