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Methodist ministers launch anti-Bush library petition
Dallas Morning News ^ | 1/18/2007 | HOLLY K. HACKER

Posted on 01/18/2007 12:27:36 PM PST by LA Woman3

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To: Wally_Kalbacken
I'm waiting for a President who declares his/her "presidential library" will be a virtual one and that he/she will not tap the treasury to build a brick and mortar monument

The "Brick and Mortar" of Presidential Libraries is generally privately funded. Some of the expenses of setting up the repository and maintaining it are federally funded, AFAIK.

61 posted on 01/18/2007 5:20:24 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: LA Woman3

Rev. Andrew J. Weaver, Ph.D. is a United Methodist minister and research psychologist living in New York City.


National Council of Churches

Weaver and Seibert note that in 2002, a foundation controlled by Richard Mellon Scaife “gave $225,000 to the IRD (Institute on Religion and Democracy) for its “Reforming America’s Churches Project”— among whose stated goals is the elimination of the Methodists’ General Board of Church and Society, the church’s voice for justice and peace





retired Methodist Ministers Andrew J. Weaver


publisher Andrew J. Weaver






62 posted on 01/18/2007 5:32:34 PM PST by kcvl
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To: Dr. Scarpetta
We don't have one around here.

There are some PCA churches in your neck of the woods.

63 posted on 01/18/2007 5:34:21 PM PST by PAR35
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To: WVNan
SMU needs to understand that the "leadership" of the UMC is totally out of sinc with the people in the pews

The problem is that it's the faculties of the Methodist affiliated schools that led the way to the left, and they remain, even though it's hard to believe, generally farther left than the Methodist Church itself. In general of course, there are lots of "Wesleyan" Universities, including a Texas Wesleyan in Ft. Worth, around the country, and of course there are variations. SMU may not be quite a bad as some, being located in conservative Texas, although that doesn't necessarily follow either.

Of course the Reagan and Eisenhower Libraries are not on college campuses. Reagan's is in Simi Valley CA, and Ike's is in Abilene Kansas. (I've been by there many times, it's across KS 15 from the Greyhound Hall of Fame). Both are archived through the University of Texas. Maybe President Bush should emulate these previous Republican Presidents?

64 posted on 01/18/2007 5:35:04 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Wuli
Completely American Marxists were the designers and propagators of it; and they still are.

Those "Completely American" Marxists often had quite close ties to, or were part of, the "Comintern" (Communist International", the "evangelical" extension of the Communist Part of the Soviet Union.

65 posted on 01/18/2007 5:38:51 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: USMCWife6869

Well, the Methodists do seem to be the most liberal church. I guess I shouldn't be surprised.




right next to and prolly across the street from the Presbys.


66 posted on 01/18/2007 5:50:43 PM PST by IOWAfan (Hawkeye msg board... moral victories... let the fighting begin!)
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To: Dr. Scarpetta
Methodists, Lutheran, United Church of Christ, etc. all are pro-choice

Only some Lutherns, including the largest the ELCA "Evangelical Lutheran Church in America". But not including the Missour Synod Lutherans and some others. Plus Lutherans are not as Hierarchcal as Methodists, Roman Catholics, or Presbyterians, so the individual churchs vary a lot more in their positions and degree of involvement in such things.

We have to drive by several churches to get to our Wesleyan church.

I didn't know about a separate Wesleyan Church separate from the "United Methodists", So I looked it up, and now I do. Thanks.

67 posted on 01/18/2007 5:52:24 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: LA Woman3

Much of the faculty at the college is has also been meeting, according to local news reports, trying to stop the lib being built. Most are libs of course that have a problem with Bush.


68 posted on 01/18/2007 5:53:55 PM PST by devane617 (It's McCain and a Rat -- Now what?)
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I'm a member of a Methodist church in Mississippi. I was dismayed to see that our bishop, Hope Morgan Ward, is a sponsor of this petition. I wrote to her tonight, and this Sunday I will begin searching for a denomination and congregation that shares my beliefs and values.

All of you should go to the petition and see some of the comments written by so-called "Christians". It is appalling and sickening. I had no idea that my fellow Methodists have such deep-seated hatred for our President.

69 posted on 01/18/2007 7:05:12 PM PST by pollyg107
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To: El Gato

The Comintern (Communist International -[actually the 3rd]) was set up in by Lenin in 1919. It was to be a co-ordinating body for the communist parties. Membership required, originally, agreement on 21 points set by Lenin. Moscow's demands for agreement on all its points caused immediate splits, among the "International" (like the French), and in time, under Stalin, led to its dissolution. It originally included primarily four groups of U.S. Marxists; the Socialist Labor Party, the Socialist Party of America, the trade unions IWW and the Workers International Trade Union. You can read their histories and relationship (or not) to the Comintern here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comintern

You can read from their histories that they were far from a monolithic group. The original Comintern was dissolved in 1943, with its greatest influence over the largest US groups excercised by that time. It was succeeded in 1947 with the Cominform, which itself was dissolved in 1956 in the process of De-Stalinization. During Stalin's leadership various factions split over the issue of following his lead or not. The founders of International A.N.S.W.E.R. were diehard Bolsheviks who left the CPUSA when it left the Comintern over Stalin and they did not want to.

The collective history of the various US communist factions indicates that control and/or influence of the US groups by the Comintern declined over time and had little direct control by the late 1950s. That is not to say that the KGB did not continue to exploit their fraternal party relationships to obtain US national as well as US political intelligence, on democratic as well as communist parties.


70 posted on 01/18/2007 9:00:34 PM PST by Wuli
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To: Dr. Scarpetta

Ms. Grady the head of NOW wrote a book a few years ago maybe 3. I saw her on C-span. I was a book defending abortion. And guess who introduced her ====A Methodist Minister in full regalia.


71 posted on 01/18/2007 11:13:28 PM PST by therut
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Ms. Grady the head of NOW wrote a book a few years ago maybe 3. I saw her on C-span. I was a book defending abortion. And guess who introduced her ====A Methodist Minister in full regalia.

Democrats have taken over at the highest levels of the mainstream Protestant churches. In some cases, elderly people who go to these churches have no idea what's going on. The pastors are not in the pulpit openly advocating abortion, but in the case of the Presbyterian Church USA, the money can eventually go towards pastor's abortions. Or it may go toward some other liberal cause because some of that money goes to the National council of Churches, a liberal org.

72 posted on 01/19/2007 2:57:50 AM PST by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: Deut28
From the UMC's own website....

Iraq: Overview

And...

War and Peace

73 posted on 01/19/2007 3:05:09 AM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: mewzilla
Left-Wing Churches for Hamas
74 posted on 01/19/2007 3:06:41 AM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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Mainline Christian Churches Respond to Hamas and Hezbollah Aggression
75 posted on 01/19/2007 3:08:13 AM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: mewzilla
And from the UMC again...

Women’s Division Calls for Broader View on Middle-East Conflicts

76 posted on 01/19/2007 3:10:25 AM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: mewzilla
One more...

Methodist Leader Calls For President’s Impeachment

77 posted on 01/19/2007 3:12:02 AM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: Wally_Kalbacken
I'm waiting for a President who declares his/her "presidential library" will be a virtual one and that he/she will not tap the treasury to build a brick and mortar monument to hold paper copies of millions of pages very few people will ever care to read.

Richard Nixon mandated that his library be built and maintained with no public funds whatsoever. However, by law, the papers of all presidents from Nixon onward are held by the National Archives. The Nixon Library currently holds many of Nixon's pre-presidential papers and all of his post-presidential ones, but in order to get the presidential papers, it had to agree to join the National Archives system. The presidential papers will probably begin arriving at the library sometime this year.

78 posted on 01/21/2007 12:09:07 PM PST by Fiji Hill
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To: LA Woman3
W...get this message...SMU is an elitist left wing university....go else where...like Baylor University...tell SMU stick it....I'll go where I know everyone will be over joyed to have my LIBRARY!!!!!!!!!!
79 posted on 01/21/2007 12:13:35 PM PST by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand; but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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