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Bush to talk to border agents' families
Daily Bulletin ^ | Sara Carter

Posted on 01/20/2007 6:20:34 AM PST by Ladycalif

President Bush is expected to reach out to the families of two Texas Border Patrol agents convicted of shooting a Mexican drug smuggler.

White House staff contacted former agent Ignacio Ramos' family early Friday, assuring them the president would call them soon, said Monica Ramos, the agent's wife.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: California; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: aliens; borderpatrol; compean; illegalimmigration; immigrantlist; ramos; ramosandcompean; saraacarter
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1 posted on 01/20/2007 6:20:34 AM PST by Ladycalif
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To: Ladycalif; Bikers4Bush; janetgreen; dennisw; gubamyster; nomad; 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; SandRat; ...

2 posted on 01/20/2007 6:22:22 AM PST by Ladycalif (Ramos and Compean - We Are Safer When They Are Out)
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To: Ladycalif

This is unbelievable. Bush pardons 5 drug dealers over Christmas and won't pardon two Border Patrol officers who shot and wounded a drug dealer with 750 pounds of pot on him.


3 posted on 01/20/2007 6:22:39 AM PST by Ronaldus Magnus Reagan
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To: Ladycalif

Well, it's about time! I'm glad that somebody finally got Bush's attention on this.


4 posted on 01/20/2007 6:24:44 AM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner ("Si vis pacem para bellum")
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To: Ladycalif
Aldrete-Davila fled to Mexico, but U.S. officials brought him back to the United States - with the promise of full immunity and medical treatment - if he testified against the agents.

This is so wrong it makes me sick.

5 posted on 01/20/2007 6:24:52 AM PST by somemoreequalthanothers (All for the betterment of "the state", comrade)
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To: Ladycalif

From the "Too Little Too Late" files....


7 posted on 01/20/2007 6:26:44 AM PST by shezza (God bless our military heroes)
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To: Ronaldus Magnus Reagan

Do you know the facts surrounding any of these cases? Were you at the trials or have you read the court transcripts?


8 posted on 01/20/2007 6:28:26 AM PST by zarf
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To: Ladycalif

The US attorney who is responsible for this whole fiasco is a close associate of Bush. I can't believe that this wasn't done as part of a program to discourage anyone from interfering with illegal entry to this country possibly including drug traffic.


9 posted on 01/20/2007 6:28:57 AM PST by FreePaul
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
Well, it's about time! I'm glad that somebody finally got Bush's attention on this.

Nobody's gotten his attention - he's only "talking" to them. Apparently, modern presidents like Clinton and Bush will only pardon the guilty.
10 posted on 01/20/2007 6:32:31 AM PST by Old_Mil (http://www.constitutionparty.com/)
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To: zarf

Well, I tried posting facts according to reporting done by Investor's Business Daily, but my post got deleted by the mods. Seems you can't post news articles even though they have attribution? Sounds like a ridiculous rule to me.


11 posted on 01/20/2007 6:34:53 AM PST by Ronaldus Magnus Reagan
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To: Ladycalif
Bush desperately needs to regain friends on both sides of the aisle.

Fox news just spoke on this and said 27% of the prison population is made up of illegal aliens. IF that number is true, then they must be in federal prison because the Bureau of Justice site states "about 4% of State prison inmates were not U.S. citizens at yearend 2001".

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/crimoff.htm

12 posted on 01/20/2007 6:35:07 AM PST by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: zarf

My info on this case is a little vague. As I gather these two officers interdicted this drug smuggler one night and he took off running. The popped off about fifteen rounds at him. They searched his van and found the dope. They must have thought they missed him and didnt feel like epsnding half the night making out reports of a shooting so they picked up their spent rounds re-loaded their weapons and went home.
Then this character somehow shows up in Mexico with a bullet in his back. Somebody pimped and the US government spen a ton of money and broguth this guy bakc to testify against the agents.

Now the way I see this they were doing their job unbtil they slipped up and shot at this guy, Then they tried to hide that fatc. Now to me they deserve to lose their jobs. They dont deserve prison.


13 posted on 01/20/2007 6:38:44 AM PST by sgtbono2002 (Peace through strength.)
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To: sgtbono2002
It sounds like a situation that needs careful review. On the face of it it doesn't seem like these guys deserve prison but if they covered up the facts they committed a serious offense.

The president is being responsible by considering all the facts involved. I don't get the hysteria by the border nuts.

14 posted on 01/20/2007 6:42:59 AM PST by zarf
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To: Ronaldus Magnus Reagan
"The pair has found support for a presidential pardon in the form of legislation sponsored by Rep. Duncan Hunter, R-El Cajon, and in petitions with more than 250,000 signatures.

"More than 70 representatives have signed on to Hunter's legislation, making it the first time in American history that Congress has taken an active role in the pardon process...

"...the decision to grant a pardon still rests solely with the president."

Thank God for Hunter!

What does it take to shake the lead out of Bush?

He is yet to close the Mexican Border; he is yet to stop the flood of illegal immigration--though both are demanded overwhelmingly by a majority of the American people!

He is yet to champion the nullification of the Supreme Court's ridiculous and indecent "Eminent Domain" decision!

He is yet to curtail Federal Government spending!

Yes, 9/11 was never repeated because of President Bush and his expert and attentive leadership, but today he seems determined to alienate the American people--including his base support--as much as possible.

The wretched, decadent, dangerous, Marxist, anti-American Democrats are obviously rejoicing--and wringing their hands with delight over the prospects of the 2008 election.

15 posted on 01/20/2007 6:47:09 AM PST by Savage Beast ("Just when the caterpillar thought the world was over, it became a butterfly.")
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To: Ladycalif

Message to families:

Your relative is imprisoned for impeding the free flow of economic trade with Mexico by interfering with import activites.


16 posted on 01/20/2007 6:47:25 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: mtbopfuyn
It depends on which state.

New FBI Statistics on Crimes Committed by Illegal Aliens
  Posted by Zakeet
On Bloggers & Personal 11/14/2006 11:18:09 AM CST · 16 replies · 415+ views


CaPoliticalNews ^ | November 12, 2006 | FBI/INS
INS/FBI Statistical Report on Undocumented Immigrants 2006 (First Quarter) INS/FBI Statistical Report on Undocumented Immigrants CRIME STATISTICS 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens. 83% of warrants for murder in Phoenix are for illegal aliens. 86% of warrants for murder in Albuquerque are for illegal aliens. 75% of those on the most wanted list in Los Angeles, Phoenix and Albuquerque are illegal aliens. 24.9% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally 40.1% of all inmates in Arizona detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally 48.2% of all inmates in New...

17 posted on 01/20/2007 6:49:57 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: TomGuy

Thanks for the stats.


18 posted on 01/20/2007 6:57:32 AM PST by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: sgtbono2002
Now the way I see this they were doing their job unbtil they slipped up and shot at this guy, Then they tried to hide that fatc. Now to me they deserve to lose their jobs. They dont deserve prison.

They were doing their jobs when they shot at the guy also. According to the agents he had a gun, according to the perp he didn't. So the feds took the word of an illegal drug runner over two border patrol agents. As for not reporting the shooting, it is not a "serious" crime. It requires 5 days suspension, not loss of job and not prison time.

They were jailed for many other offenses, none of them provable and only supported by the word of this illegal drug running asshat who got off scot free from any crime and also received free medical, plus now he is suing for 5 million bucks for violation of his "civil rights". You know, the rights that illegals don't have because they are law breakers and should be deported and/or jailed.

Yes, the agents should have reprorted the shooting, this was a mistake and actually allowed the open border administration to railroad the two agents because it ate into their credibility. The fact is, the only evidence they have that the agents committed the offenses for which they were jailed is the word of this illegal, lying, drug running scum bag.

19 posted on 01/20/2007 6:57:39 AM PST by calex59
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To: zarf
Strictly speaking as a "Border Nut" I don't understand all this sympathy for the perp. Further, I am sick of legal eagles that attack the people who defend this nation via arcane laws and 20-20 hindsight. The only crime the agents are guilty of is poor marksmanship. For that they should be given remedial training.

Far from being angry at the agents, I am furious at a legal system that could charge them in the first place and then convict them. My God, these people were justifiably afraid of loosing their lives, their future, and their families due to a run away Judaical system that persecutes the innocent. And that is just what happened. The full force of the government came down on them in support of...the criminal. Imagine that.

If this nonsense keeps up, one day we will all wake up and find the armed forces and security forces held a trial and found that we were not worthy of their protection. And who could blame them?
20 posted on 01/20/2007 7:01:25 AM PST by Nuc1 (NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
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To: sgtbono2002
...and didnt feel like epsnding half the night making out reports of a shooting

I think that is the major reason given for why these two were convicted. My understanding is if you fire your weapon you are required to spend the rest of the night filling out a report. That said, seems to me like 10 and 12 year sentences are a bit steep. Administrative leave with pay would have been more appropriate based on what I've read about this case.

21 posted on 01/20/2007 7:10:07 AM PST by Thermalseeker (Just the facts, ma'am)
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To: mtbopfuyn

You call those stats?


22 posted on 01/20/2007 7:11:22 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Nuc1
It gets worse...What was not reported in the article was that to sweeten the deal to testify, the feds paid for treatment of the drug dealer's injured butt at an Army Medical Center in El Paso. He showed his gratitude by breaking his immunity agreement by attempting to smuggle an additional 1,000 pounds of pot into the U.S. the following October.

So what did the feds do after this?? U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton extended his immunity to this second felony and then sealed the indictment for this crime from jurors. And what did the drug dealer then do? He promptly filed a $5 million lawsuit against the feds who twice granted him immunity.

Is this unbelievable or what? The government has truly turned upside down.

23 posted on 01/20/2007 7:11:43 AM PST by Ronaldus Magnus Reagan
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To: calex59

They shot at this creep over 40 times and missed? For that alone they should have been given a couple weeks off from work.

I am with you. The place to start after they get released from jail is to arm ourselves EN MASS and go to the source, Washington DC, and take back our country.


24 posted on 01/20/2007 7:11:45 AM PST by crz
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To: Thermalseeker
My understanding is if you fire your weapon you are required to spend the rest of the night filling out a report. That said, seems to me like 10 and 12 year sentences are a bit steep.

A BIT? You say just a BIT? You must be joking.

25 posted on 01/20/2007 7:13:32 AM PST by Ronaldus Magnus Reagan
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To: Ronaldus Magnus Reagan
A BIT? You say just a BIT? You must be joking.

DOH! Forgot the /sarcasm tag.....

26 posted on 01/20/2007 7:16:38 AM PST by Thermalseeker (Just the facts, ma'am)
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To: Jonathan
We truly would have been better off with a one term disaster of Gore or Kerry and then elected a patriot to repair the damage than 8 years of soft betrayal and treason by Bush and his bunch.

Sorry, can't agree. The Supreme Court is much to important to leave it to be possibly filled by the likes of Gore or Kerry for 4 long risky years. Bashing Bush is OK for a few select things, but Alito and Roberts are superb choices. Don't forget that.

28 posted on 01/20/2007 7:27:51 AM PST by Ronaldus Magnus Reagan
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To: Ronaldus Magnus Reagan

Seems you can't post news articles even though they have attribution? Sounds like a ridiculous rule to me.



You may want to review the following:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1111944/posts


29 posted on 01/20/2007 7:30:05 AM PST by deport
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To: Ladycalif

Not only was JohnnyBoy Sutton overzealous by charging them with attempted murder (for which they were acquitted), he used laws never intended for this purpose that resulted in the outrageously lenghthy sentences. Put that together with all of the evidence that Judge Cardone wouldn't admit during trial (testimony about the daily warzone these agents work in, or their training and work records), these guys really got screwed, IMO.

http://www.fedsmith.com/articles/references/JonesltronBP.pdf

October 11, 2006
Attorney General Alberto Gonzales
U.S. Department of Justice
950 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
Washington, D.C. 20530

Dear Attorney General Gonzales:

We are writing to you with deep concern over an improper charge against U.S. Border Patrol agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Alonso Compean.

Border Patrol agents Ramos and Compean were convicted of violating 18 U.S.C. §924(c). This statute makes it a crime to carry or use a firearm during commission of a violent or drug trafficking crime. Violations of the statute carry a mandatory sentence of no less than 10 years. Currently, this is the only charge facing both Ramos and Compean requiring mandatory prison time not to be served concurrently.

Yesterday, a motion to delay sentencing for Ramos and Compean was denied. Sentencing is now scheduled for Thursday, October 19th. We urge you to take any action you can to either delay this sentencing or have the 18 U.S.C. §924(c) charges dropped. This statute has historically been used in violent crime and drug trafficking cases. It has also been applied to law enforcement when necessary, however, based on past applications of §924(c) to law enforcement, it appears that its application in the present case is unwarranted.

When §924(c) is applied to law enforcement officers, it is in the context of heinous crimes, such as sexual assaults, which are clearly outside the realm of official duties. The application of §924(c) in this case is overly broad, setting a dangerous precedent of application to law enforcement officers trying to act within the scope of their official duties. Ramos and Compean were within the scope of their official duties when they fired at an illegal drug smuggler they believe to be armed and dangerous. We strongly urge you to use your authority to dismiss the unnecessary and overzealous §924 (c) charge against these Border Patrol agents.

Sincerely,

__________________
Walter B. Jones
Member of Congress

Cc: George W. Bush, President of the United States
Honorable James F. Sensenbrenner, Chairman, Committee on Judiciary


31 posted on 01/20/2007 7:39:20 AM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: Ronaldus Magnus Reagan

timing is everything...
Bubba skated with Tamraz, Rich and Riady.
Good good a mooga who else.
And then there was Goober and Bert Lance.

Geez Tia Louisa..


32 posted on 01/20/2007 7:39:24 AM PST by Gunny P (Gunny P)
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To: zarf

"I don't get the hysteria by the border nuts."

Many of us concerned about the porous border don't understand illegal apologists either.


33 posted on 01/20/2007 7:47:11 AM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: Ladycalif

"There's a good deal of pressure on the president on the domestic front," Pitney said. "One thing that can possibly hold him back is the reaction from Mexico.

Well, that's always the way it is with George, isn't it? Why don't we just ask Mexico directly to pardon these agents. Then we don't have to waste time asking Bush.


34 posted on 01/20/2007 7:47:15 AM PST by san juan
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To: deport
You may want to review the following:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1111944/posts

Thanks for the info. That explains it. I'm surprised that Investor's Business Daily is on the list. Their editorial page is always conservative. You would think that they would want some exposure here to gain new subscribers. That's a dumb way to run a business, IMO.

36 posted on 01/20/2007 7:49:36 AM PST by Ronaldus Magnus Reagan
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To: taxed2death
Many of us concerned about the porous border don't understand illegal apologists either.

Some of us in the same category don't think the president's job description includes summarily pardoning individuals before he studies the facts of a case.

37 posted on 01/20/2007 8:03:00 AM PST by zarf
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To: FreePaul

Johnny jackass Sutton goes way back with George Bush and is a close adviser now. Sutton's fiefdom includes Crawford Texas


38 posted on 01/20/2007 8:15:31 AM PST by dennisw (Don't let your past become your future -- Georges Gurdjieff)
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To: calcowgirl

How would you like to be tried by an El Paso jury? The place is crawling with illegal aliens and they're just fine with it that way


39 posted on 01/20/2007 8:18:03 AM PST by dennisw (Don't let your past become your future -- Georges Gurdjieff)
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To: TomGuy

Can you site a US government web site where that report was published?

IMMHO, it's bogus but has gotten a lot of play on blogger sites and via email.

But no "source" is ever stated.


40 posted on 01/20/2007 8:19:37 AM PST by upchuck (The American coup de grāce is well under way. Thus far, the Donks haven't had to fire a shot.)
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To: Ronaldus Magnus Reagan

He showed his gratitude by breaking his immunity agreement by attempting to smuggle an additional 1,000 pounds of pot into the U.S. the following October.



Do you have a link to that assertion?.....


41 posted on 01/20/2007 8:22:30 AM PST by deport
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To: Thermalseeker

The punishment these men should have gotten is arguable. Anything from Suspension, Suspension without pay. Dismissal. Any of these were optional. 15 years in jail is Bull excrement. The prosecutor is a definite butthole,bringing a criminal in to testify and granting total immunity is reprehensible. The whole case reeks.

I am not in any way saying these men should no face job action. I AM saying jail time is ridiculous.


42 posted on 01/20/2007 8:29:13 AM PST by sgtbono2002 (Peace through strength.)
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To: deport

You don't think that some of these Border Agents are taking bribes?

There are strong indications that this was a 'deal' that went bad. Why else would these agents try to cover up the incident. If they were above board, they would have reported it the moment it happened.

There are many Illegals getting across the border by buying off the agents that patrol the areas. You can guarantee it. Particularly the ones carrying millions of dollars worth of drugs when they cross.


43 posted on 01/20/2007 8:31:48 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (Show me a 'true' Conservative and I'll show you someone with bad knees)
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To: calex59

I am on your side in this pal.

I agree wholeheartedly. A job action would have been the way to go, 15 years in jail is a sin.

I am not saying Mr. Bush should see that they are placed back on duty with no action, but he should at least keep them out of jail and expunge the criminal record.


44 posted on 01/20/2007 8:32:46 AM PST by sgtbono2002 (Peace through strength.)
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To: zarf

It's Border bots. Shall we call Bush bots, Bush nuts? You're trying to hang a negative connotation on people who want our country secured on the invasion from the south.


45 posted on 01/20/2007 8:34:07 AM PST by processing please hold (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: sgtbono2002

The punishment these men should have gotten is arguable.



It's also arguable as to the code they were charged and convicted under. That specific code as enacted by congress mandates a 10 yr minimum sentence. Or that's the way I've heard it explained. Hopefully the Appellate process will allow some of this to be reviewed.


46 posted on 01/20/2007 8:35:16 AM PST by deport
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To: zarf

I dont consider myself a Border nut although I do feel we cannot have a country where people merely walk back and forth across our borders as they please.

Some things are right and some are wrong.

Imprisoning these men is dead wrong. Especially on the word of an admitted criminal.


47 posted on 01/20/2007 8:35:38 AM PST by sgtbono2002 (Peace through strength.)
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To: taxed2death

When we border bots are smeared with the name border nut, the poster should be corrected immediately. Someone calls me a border nut you can bet they are a Bush nut.


48 posted on 01/20/2007 8:37:26 AM PST by processing please hold (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: deport; Ronaldus Magnus Reagan

Here's one:

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=26224

(snip)

Returning to Mexico, Aldrete-Davila related his misfortunes to his mother, who contacted the mother-in-law of Border Patrol agent Rene Sanchez. Sanchez in turn tipped off a member of the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, who went to Mexico to offer immunity if Osbaldo would act as a state’s witness against Ramos and Compean: the feds wanted to prosecute the agents shooting the alien narcotics supplier.

To sweeten the immunity deal, the feds paid for Osbaldo Aldrete-Davila’s medical treatment of his ailing backside – a taxpayer-funded recuperation at William Beaumont Army Medical Center in El Paso, Texas. He showed his gratitude by breaking his immunity agreement in October 2005, when officers say he attempted to smuggle 1,000 pounds of marijuana into America. The prosecution further extended its immunity to this felony and sealed the indictment from jurors. Aldrete-Davila repaid this new shower of grace by suing the federal government for $5 million, alleging the shooting violated his civil rights. However, he agreed to help in their criminal prosecution, as well, and the feds are apparently happy to collaborate with the pusher as long as he helped put effective lawmen behind bars.


49 posted on 01/20/2007 8:38:24 AM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

You don't think that some of these Border Agents are taking bribes?



I don't know in this case as that was never asserted in court that I'm aware of.... However I'll agree that it's possible as they all are human and as humans we all have falacies. If these are truly rogue LEOs then they need to be weeded out and put away....


50 posted on 01/20/2007 8:38:26 AM PST by deport
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