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Iraqi Christians Lose All Hope with Violence, Anarchy
Christians of Iraq.Com ^ | January 19, 2007 | Michelle Vu

Posted on 01/21/2007 8:21:40 AM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian

Iraqi Christians Lose All Hope with Violence, Anarchy

Difficulties and persecution is nothing new to the minority Christians living in Iraq. However, local Christians are now saying that the anarchistic situation in their country has destroyed all optimism for a better future.

"Almost no one sees a bright future for Iraq," said Stefan De Groot, co-worker of the international organization Open Doors, according to a report on Tuesday.

De Groot, who visits Iraq several times a year, says that every time he visits, a local believer tells him that the situation is worse than the last time he visited.

"Another Christian told me he had to buy new clothes for his wife because during a shooting on the streets, her wardrobe was riddled with bullets," recalled De Groot. "A third man explained in detail what happened when he brought his son to school and a car bomb went off. The little boy ran inside the school and saw a human heart hanging against the window."

There are four violent groups in Iraq: Sunnite insurgents who used to belong to Saddam’s Baath Party; Sunnites, who are fighting for Al Qaeda; Shiites; and a group comprised of criminals and gangs who don’t belong to any of the other insurgency groups, according to De Groot.

The Open Doors co-worker said that the violent groups attack Christians for the main purpose of money to finance their fights.

"Most Christians are shop owners and have some money," said De Groot. "In addition, the small Christian minority has no armed branch which can take revenge or provide protection for them."

Nearly half of the Christians in Iraq have fled since the early 1990s.

The UNHCR (United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees) call the massive exodus of Assyrian Christians, who make up the majority of the Iraqi Christian population, a humanitarian crisis. The United Nations reports that although Assyrians comprise only five percent of Iraq’s population, they make up nearly 40 percent of the refugees fleeing Iraq.

Assyrian Christians living in America have rallied, calling on U.S. leaders to help form an autonomous zone in Iraq for Assyrians and other Christians where they can practice their faith freely and work without persecution.

"Because of their small population, weak status, and lack of regional support, they have no one to protect them from all the violence," said Paul Isaac, one of the organizers of the Christians for Assyrians of Iraq rally in December.

The Open Doors ministry operates several Christian cultural centers in Iraq to support the country’s Christian population through skill-building courses. The centers host religious dialogues and conferences where movies like Jesus Film are shown or discussions on Christian cultural topics are held.


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Nearly HALF the Christian community of Iraq has already been destroyed, in only four years.

"Mission Accomplished"!?

1 posted on 01/21/2007 8:21:41 AM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian
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To: Gamecock; BW2221; Austin Willard Wright; Alberta's Child; jude24

Mission Accomplished!?


2 posted on 01/21/2007 8:22:35 AM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian (We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty -- Luke 17:10)
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To: George W. Bush

The latest good news from free, democratic New Iraq.


3 posted on 01/21/2007 8:25:33 AM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian (We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty -- Luke 17:10)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian

BTTT


4 posted on 01/21/2007 8:27:18 AM PST by Gamecock (Ecclesia reformata, semper reformanda secundum verbum Dei)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
Mission Accomplished!?


5 posted on 01/21/2007 8:28:41 AM PST by XR7
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
There were a number of similar articles around Christmas. One priest in Iraq canceled midnight mass because he deemed it too dangerous to attend.

I hate to say this, but Christians actually were better off under Saddam. The only thing Sunnis and Shiites hate more than one another is infidels (be they Christians or Jews).

Meanwhile, there was a thread on FR yesterday about a Muslim student attending Northwestern University who wanted them to set us a apace for Muslims to pray at Wildcats basketball games. Soon they will be asking for (demanding ??) that games be stopped for fifteen minutes so they can pray.
6 posted on 01/21/2007 8:30:52 AM PST by BW2221
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
I've said this here before -- and I will continue to hammer home this point whenever the opportunity arises . . .

The U.S. has basically p!ssed away 3,000+ American lives and hundreds of billions of dollars for the sole purpose of establishing an Islamic state in the Middle East.

If this makes sense to anyone here, please wake me up and fill me in on the details.

7 posted on 01/21/2007 8:32:04 AM PST by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: XR7
I guess a few purple fingers makes it all worth it. (Sigh)

The US Government is now spending Hundreds of Billions of dollars -- and thousands of GI lives -- to prop up a "Post-War Iraqi Government" which is dominated by the SCIRI Party and the Al-Dawa Party, the same nice people who brought you the 1979 Iranian Hostage Crisis and the 1982 Mass-Murder of 240 Marines in Lebanon! Our wonderful new "Allies" in the War on Terror, I guess.

Why are we supporting these madmen??

8 posted on 01/21/2007 8:32:45 AM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian (We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty -- Luke 17:10)
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Meanwhile, there was a thread on FR yesterday about a Muslim student attending Northwestern University who wanted them to set us a apace for Muslims to pray at Wildcats basketball games. Soon they will be asking for (demanding ??) that games be stopped for fifteen minutes so they can pray.

Sheesh...

Of course, if the football team takes more than 30 seconds in the locker room to pray a bowdlerized little Christian Grace before the game, it's an ACLU Separation of Church and State federal case (can't have that at a tax-funded University, doncha know -- even though college football is self-financing).

9 posted on 01/21/2007 8:36:54 AM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian (We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty -- Luke 17:10)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian

“How little faith you have! Why did you falter?”


10 posted on 01/21/2007 8:40:10 AM PST by AmericanMade1776 (Democrats don't have a plan)
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian

Good try...but the facts on the ground don't make any difference to the true belivers who support this war, no matter the consquences.


11 posted on 01/21/2007 8:45:07 AM PST by Austin Willard Wright
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To: AmericanMade1776

I agree that the Libertarian types are probably more prone to hyperbole than most.

But being a supporter of the war - even now - I still have to ask why we cannto set up separate Iraqi states with autonomous rule?

The three state scenario doesn't seem so awful to me. And I don't think it means an admission of failure, either.


12 posted on 01/21/2007 8:46:33 AM PST by TitansAFC (Pacifism is not peace; pacifists are not peacemakers.)
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To: Alberta's Child
It's important to remember that, according to its new constitution, Iraq is an Islamic republic, which basically means Christians are screwed.

While I voted for him nor once- but twice - I honestly believe George Bush could screw up a one-car funeral.
13 posted on 01/21/2007 8:49:10 AM PST by BW2221
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To: AmericanMade1776; Austin Willard Wright; Alberta's Child; George W. Bush
“How little faith you have! Why did you falter?”

Are you suggesting that George W. Bush is the Messiah?

If he (or should I say "He"?) is not, then it behooves us to admit that spending hundreds of billions of dollars and 3,000 GI lives to establish an Islamic theocracy dominated by Terrorist parties is, dare I say... a failure.

If this be treason... make the most of it.

14 posted on 01/21/2007 8:53:22 AM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian (We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty -- Luke 17:10)
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To: TitansAFC
The three state solution can't be micromanaged from Washington because of the sticky point of sharing oil revenue. The only solution right now is for us to step aside from this mess. It is too late for the social engineers in Washington.

Had we handed over power back in 2003 to the Iraqis (even a government led by Chalabi), there is a better chance that the facts on the ground would be better than this. At least then, the Iraqis would have had to sink and swim. As it is, Maliki and company are like welfare recipients who have neither the motivation nor ability to survive unless they are on the U.S. teat.

15 posted on 01/21/2007 8:54:23 AM PST by Austin Willard Wright
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To: TitansAFC

If you mean 'with states rights' it might work but not three separate countries within a country.


16 posted on 01/21/2007 8:57:23 AM PST by yoe (Hell is coming now for sure...................)
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Welfare-recipients... Good analogy.

But with RPG's and IED's instead of turf war drive-bys, that is.

17 posted on 01/21/2007 8:57:47 AM PST by OrthodoxPresbyterian (We are Unworthy Servants; We have only done Our Duty -- Luke 17:10)
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To: yoe

The three state solution was always about that. No, I wasn't suggesting three entirely different countries. ;-)


18 posted on 01/21/2007 8:59:51 AM PST by TitansAFC (Pacifism is not peace; pacifists are not peacemakers.)
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To: TitansAFC

Longterm, the Kurds aren't going to stay in a three state Iraq and why should they? Heck, they probably won't even send more troops to Baghdad.


19 posted on 01/21/2007 9:01:15 AM PST by Austin Willard Wright
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian

Hello!!!! wake up, the same thing is happening here in America
just in a different form.


20 posted on 01/21/2007 9:02:40 AM PST by buck61
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