Skip to comments.Details emerge of gunmen, posing as soldiers, attacking U.S. troops in Iraq
Posted on 01/21/2007 4:19:49 PM PST by TexKat
KARBALA, Iraq - Chilling details emerged Sunday of gunmen posing as American and Iraqi soldiers in an ambush on U.S. troops in Karbala a day earlier that killed five Americans and wounded three.
On Saturday, a civil affairs team of American soldiers sat with local leaders in Karbala's provincial headquarters to discuss security for Ashoura, a Shiite commemoration of the massacre of the revered Imam Hussein that began Sunday.
Outside, danger was approaching. A convoy of seven white GMC Suburbans sped toward the building, breezing through checkpoints, with the men wearing American and Iraqi military uniforms and flashing American ID cards, Iraqi officials said. The force stopped at the police directorate in Karbala and took weapons but gave no reason, said police spokesman Capt. Muthana Ahmed in Babel province.
A call was made to the provincial headquarters to inform them an American convoy was on its way, said the governor of Karbala, Akeel al-Khazaali. But the Americans stationed inside the building, which acts as a coordination center for Iraqi officials, Iraqi security forces and U.S. forces, had not been informed, Iraqi officials said.
As the U.S. soldiers and the Iraqis scrambled to figure out if the men were Americans or an illegally armed group, the convoy arrived and the gunmen tried to break in.
The gunmen launched grenades, mortars and small arms fire, according to a U.S. military statement. The U.S. military said Sunday it was still not clear if the gunmen were Sunni or Shiite militia. Abu Abdullah, a commander in Karbala of the Mahdi Army, the militia led by firebrand Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr, on Sunday denied involvement in the attack.
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Iraqi policemen man a checkpoint at the entrance of the holy city of Karbala, central Iraq. At least 25 US troops were killed across Iraq in one of the deadliest days for the American forces since the invasion began, as the military said 3,200 new troops had arrived to quell Baghdad violence.(AFP/Mohammed Sawaf)
Details emerge of gunmen, posing as soldiers, attacking U.S. troops in Iraq ping.
Very nice devolve!
That's my new "SNL-I'm-1/2-Black-Hillary.gif"
"Let's begin the (controlled) conversation....."
-- Hillary's website announcement
"We going to take things from you on behalf of the common good....."
-- Hillary's San Francisco speech
"I am, you know, adamantly against illegal immigrants"
Hillary said February 2003 to an audience of WABC radio in New York.
She even suggested that her mind was open to the idea of a national ID "even for citizens.
They should announce a policy of a death penalty for anyone pretending to be soldiers with the addition of being buried alive wearing a pigs head.
It worked 100 years ago....
Excellent find potlatch!
I gotta save this one!
There must be an audio .mp3 somewhere!
Placemark and ping. I'll be back shortly...
There is a lot of interesting reading at this link, including links to a couple of old 1930s books on the fight against the Moros.
Another accurate quote but I didn't save the source;
"People will be attacking you instead of your ideas, they may impugn your patriotism, they may even say you're angry. If they do that, wear it as a badge of honor"
I have a 'Notepad' with some very scary quotes from Hillary about childrearing. In the early '70's she was hired by Marian Edelman as a research assistant by the Carnegie Council on Children.
They started with the assumption that the triumph of the universal entitlement state was an inevitability, and the best thing Americans could do for their children was to hasten its arrival.
The chapter entitled, Protection of Children Rights, the section on which Hillary worked, observes that it has become necessary for society to make some piecemeal accommodations to prevent parents from denying children certain privileges that society wants them to have.
in November 1973 in the Harvard Educational Review, she advocated liberating our child citizens from the empire of the father.
In Hillarys own words, The basic rationale for depriving people of their rights in a dependency relationship is that certain individuals are incapable or undeserving of the right to take care of themselves and consequently need social institutions to safeguard their position .. Along with the family, past and present examples of such arrangements include marriage, slavery, and the Indian reservation system.
Hillary really does believe it "takes a Village" or perhaps we should just call it a commune!
I gotta save and follow these up
Nice work potlatch!
If you are really interested in that I can copy the whole notepad for you as I left over half of the information out.
She really believes the 'state' should have control of children and that is very frightening.
I thought we were going to have a thread to discuss Karbala but it has been hijacked.
Can't you photoshop people start your own thread?
I apologize La Dita!
This is very disturbing. It seems as if there must have been a fair amount of infiltration in advance, first of all, to know about the meeting, and secondly, to get all of the disguise material together. I can't imagine that US uniforms are casually passed around.
Furthermore, how did they convince the people at the checkpoints that they were Americans? I suppose that perhaps just the ID cards were sufficient to do it. But at one point it says that they stopped at a police station and collected the weapons. Do you suppose perhaps there was actually an American among them? Very creepy thought.
Obviously, someone in Karbala tipped off the "militia" to the U.S. presence at the provincial HQ. The question would be how many Iraqis on the Karbala end were involved; were our guys set up? Abu Abdullah, a commander in Karbala of the Mahdi Army, the militia led by firebrand Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr, on Sunday denied involvement in the attack.
On another note, Solid Wood, what is the problem with the authors of the article? Thanks.
I was reading, thinking and writing while you were posting, but we arrived at similar thoughts/questions. In fact, a suspicion re American involvement occurred to me earlier. VERY creepy ...
It's a Shiite town. Which means Shiite guards, Shiite police and Shiite attackers. Probably retaliation from Iran/Al Sadr due to recent pressure from the US up in Baghdad.
Could these infiltrators be Iranians???
Yes, they could. We are noting more and more Iranian involvement in Iraq.
Thanks TK for both topics and pings.
25 U.S. troops killed in Iraq Saturday
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070121/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq | January 21, 2007 | BUSHRA JUHI
Posted on 01/21/2007 10:58:14 AM EST by TexKat
My problem with MSM articles from Iraq, is the fact they are almost exclusively Reuters/AP/AFP written by Sunni Muslims with dubious loyalty, often quoting dubious sources or unauthorized sources. Several such reports have turned out to be bogus or details contradicting.
I'm only cautious to any such reports. I trust only authorized official US/MNF releases and statements.
Thanks for that... it's helpful.
Thanks for the ping.
Thanks. Then that would mean that some of the guard posts were in on it?
I also read a longer report this morning that said all of the attackers spoke English. They had American uniforms and more American uniforms were found in the SUV that they had travelled in.
Fortunately, the authorities seem to have caught several of them alive and have them in custody, and I hope they're interrogating away even as we speak. I doubt that we'll ever hear anything more about it publicly, however.
Maybe they made the uniforms - had muzzie women sew them?
Maybe Sadr was okay with the way things were going until Maliki said he would amp up the pressure on the Shia and we decided to send more troops, so now Sadr is giving a taste of what he plans to do about it.
Letting Sadr off the hook was as big a mistake as standing down in Afghanistan when we had Bin Laden. Actually, Sadr was a bigger mistake.
This is what happens when you appease the enemy.
They watch Pelosi and many others on C-Span and CNN. This may be the needed last push to get the U.S. to stand down completely.
I don't know, but I think they must have had accomplices in the Iraqi police/army, either feeding them information or actively helping them by waving them through, supplying them with uniforms, etc.
Karbala's governor addresses a news conference in the holy Iraqi city on Monday.
KARBALA, Iraq (CNN) -- Attackers who killed five U.S. troops at a government building in Karbala posed as U.S. military officials to get past Iraqi guards, a Karbala police spokesman said.
The attack happened Saturday as the U.S. military convened a meeting to discuss security for Ashura, the upcoming Shiite pilgrimage to Karbala.
According to police spokesman Abdul Rahman al-Mishawi, about 30 gunmen traveling in a convoy of at least seven SUVs with tinted windows -- similar to the vehicles used by top U.S. military officials -- drove up to the Karbala Provincial Joint Coordination Center wearing uniforms similar to those worn by the U.S. military.
About a dozen U.S. troops were inside the compound at the time, al-Mishawi said.
Around 5:45 p.m., the gunmen cleared an Iraqi police checkpoint outside the center by flashing fake identification badges and speaking some English, al-Mishawi said.
New thread over here:
The attackers came from the province of Babel according to the article. This province has a mixed population and a highly active sunni insurgency in the southern edge (bordering Karbala). Its what people call 'the triangle of death' as it involves three towns with sunni population. This area is also famous for countless abductions and beheadings, including beheadings of foreigners.
This well organized attack is clearly the work of sunni insurgency as the rag-tag army of Muqtada Al-Sadr is not up to it. Just shows who is the real evil in Iraq.
I guessed it was Shiites because the two groups have different demeanor and bearing and are easy to tell apart. I.e. Sunnis avoid the south now because they stick out and aren't appreciated by the locals if you know what I mean. That's why there isn't much media coverage of the south, the Iraqi 'media' are Sunni insurgents toting cameras and wouldn't last long in Shiite areas.
However, having said all that and in light of new information that some of the attackers were caught I'd have to agree that the attackers are Sunni. Al Hillah does have some Sunnis and they're hard core thugs, many are ex-Republican Guards and current insurgents. They used to run the Hadji Bazaar on Bablylon, complete with blast and bullet scars, injuries and even bleeding wounds. I doubt it was locals rather probably some associates from Baghdad or Al Queada.
The intent of the attack seems to have been to impede security operations to support intended attacks against Shiite pilgrims during Ashura.
To state it briefly and bluntly, the generals were in a position to crush al Sadr in April-May 2004, when he operated in Najaf... basically thumbing his nose at us out in the open... but the interim government nixed it. That was also when we could have levelled Fallujah, and avenged the death, torture, mutilations of our American contractors.
But the U.S already had a view to "hearts and minds," caved in to warnings from the "Governing Council" and adopted a middle course, i.e., appeasement.
I haven't gotten around to reading *My Year in Iraq* by Paul Bremer and don't know if I will, but it covers that time frame. We learn, over and over again, that the military has been constrained from doing what they want to do and can do.
Now, as you pointed out Jezebelle, with the ascendance of Nancy Pelousy and the Cut'n'Run crowd, it is like another, brighter green light to al Sadr. They do watch our traitor media, for sure.
The best outcome of this is that their boldness makes them careless AND that our newly installed military leadership has an EVEN BRIGHTER green light to finally take out the "Mahdi Army."
This is why I wanted us out four years ago. We are so scared that we'll be viewed as barbarians by the world that we'll let ourselves be martyred first. The world is going to hate us no matter what. If you can't be loved, then be feared. We are doing neither.
Machiavelli! I've always admired that view...
Right-on-target...thanks for the ping Seadog Bytes.
Thanks for the information. However, would there be Sunnis at the Karbala end to help set this up, as there appears to be? Also, the meeting being held in the compound was to plan security for the SHIITE Ashura pilgrimage, yet not one of those Shiite police officers or soldiers were killed or even shot at. The target was purely U.S. soldiers....
PC war and pansy Congress
Would the US let Germany or Japan tell our Generals what to do in 1949?
First, I admire and commend your efforts in Iraq.
I meant to say Hilla is on the west. But I guess you are familiar with the area.
Actually, I am an Iraqi American born in Najaf, not far from Karbala and Hilla!
When I first heard of this incident, I immediatly thought it is Sunni insurgents, because I know they are much more capable than the bandits of Sadr. Now with the news that those involved spoke English, etc, it makes me think that they are some highly organized Al-qaeda perhaps.
I guess we will know more in the coming days.
Its heart breaking to hear of these loses. Its also bad news as it would make the cooperation between US and Iraqi troops even more complicated.
Stay safe, and best wishes.
Vietnam, that was when the media divorced the civilians of this country from the military.