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The "Greed" Fallacy (Thomas Sowell)
Townhall.com ^ | January 23, 2007 | Thomas Sowell

Posted on 01/22/2007 9:16:03 PM PST by jazusamo

In an era when our media and even our education system exalt emotions, while ignoring facts and logic, perhaps we should not be surprised that so many people explain economics by "greed."

Today there are adults -- including educated adults -- who explain multimillion-dollar corporate executives' salaries as being due to "greed."

Think about it: I could become so greedy that I wanted a fortune twice the size of Bill Gates' -- but this greed would not increase my income by one cent.

If you want to explain why some people have astronomical incomes, it cannot be simply because of their own desires -- whether "greedy" or not -- but because of what other people are willing to pay them.

The real question, then, is: Why do other people choose to pay corporate executives so much?

One popular explanation is that executive salaries are set by boards of directors who are spending the stockholders' money and do not care that they are overpaying a CEO, who may be the one responsible for putting them on the board of directors in the first place.

It makes a neat picture and may even be true in some cases. What deals a body blow to this theory, however, is that CEO compensation is even higher in corporations owned by a few giant investment firms, as distinguished from corporations owned by thousands of individual stockholders.

In other words, it is precisely where people are spending their own money and have financial expertise that they bid highest for CEOs. It is precisely where people most fully understand the difference that the right CEO can make in a corporation's profitability that they are willing to bid what it takes to get the executive they want.

If people who are capable of being outstanding executives were a dime a dozen, nobody would pay eleven cents a dozen for them.

Many observers who say that they cannot understand how anyone can be worth $100 million a year do not realize that it is not necessary that they understand it, since it is not their money.

All of us have thousands of things happening around us that we do not understand. We use computers all the time but most of us could not build a computer if our life depended on it -- and those few individuals who could probably couldn't grow orchids or train horses.

In short, we all have grossly inadequate knowledge in other people's specialties.

The idea that everything must "justify itself before the bar of reason" goes back at least as far as the 18th century. But that just makes it a candidate for the longest-running fallacy in the world.

Given the high degree of specialization in a modern economy, demanding that everything "justify itself before the bar of reason" means demanding that people who know what they are doing must be subject to the veto of people who don't have a clue about the decisions that they are second-guessing.

It means demanding that ignorance override knowledge.

The ignorant are not just some separate group of people. As Will Rogers said, everybody is ignorant, but just about different things.

Should computer experts tell brain surgeons how to do their job? Or horse trainers tell either of them what to do?

One of the reasons why central planning sounds so good, but has failed so badly that even socialist and communist governments finally abandoned the idea by the end of the 20th century, is that nobody knows enough to second guess everybody else.

Every time oil prices shoot up, there are cries of "greed" and demands by politicians for an investigation of collusion by Big Oil. There have been more than a dozen investigations of oil companies over the years, and none of them has turned up the collusion that is supposed to be responsible for high gas prices.

Now that oil prices have dropped big time, does that mean that oil companies have lost their "greed"? Or could it all be supply and demand -- a cause and effect explanation that seems to be harder for some people to understand than emotions like "greed"?

Thomas Sowell is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institute and author of Basic Economics: A Citizen's Guide to the Economy.


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1 posted on 01/22/2007 9:16:04 PM PST by jazusamo
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2 posted on 01/22/2007 9:17:12 PM PST by jazusamo (http://warchronicle.com/TheyAreNotKillers/DefendOurMarines.htm)
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To: jazusamo

Great article.


3 posted on 01/22/2007 9:20:08 PM PST by Cosmo (Liberalism is for girls)
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To: jazusamo

Please add me to this ping list. Thanks in advance!


4 posted on 01/22/2007 9:21:30 PM PST by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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To: jazusamo

Please add me also.


5 posted on 01/22/2007 9:25:40 PM PST by TAdams8591
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To: jazusamo

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."
- Friedrich A. Hayek


6 posted on 01/22/2007 9:29:57 PM PST by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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To: Cosmo
Many observers who say that they cannot understand how anyone can be worth $100 million a year do not realize that it is not necessary that they understand it, since it is not their money.

LOL. What a great and pithy statement.

7 posted on 01/22/2007 9:31:06 PM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: Cosmo

Dr. Sowell's Basic Economics should be required reading of every US Senator.


8 posted on 01/22/2007 9:40:09 PM PST by jazusamo (http://warchronicle.com/TheyAreNotKillers/DefendOurMarines.htm)
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To: jazusamo

While I still believe Home Depot's board was wrong to give hundreds of millions of dollars to a CEO they were firing, I nonetheless believe Gordon Gekko was right. Greed is good. It's what gets successful people out of bed and onto the job every morning.


9 posted on 01/22/2007 9:41:59 PM PST by gcruse (http://garycruse.blogspot.com/)
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To: jazusamo
Great article and a Sowell BTT.

Should computer experts tell brain surgeons how to do their job? Or horse trainers tell either of them what to do?

Of course not. Actors are the only people who know everything.

10 posted on 01/22/2007 9:44:19 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: jazusamo

The senators wouldn't understand it; it doesn't have pretty pictures of bunnys and flowers.


11 posted on 01/22/2007 9:45:29 PM PST by Cymbaline (I repeat myself when under stress I repeat myself when under stress I repeat myself when under stres)
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To: Billthedrill; Cymbaline

LOL! You're both right on the money.


12 posted on 01/22/2007 9:49:43 PM PST by jazusamo (http://warchronicle.com/TheyAreNotKillers/DefendOurMarines.htm)
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To: jazusamo
Generally speaking, Sowell is right about a lot of things, but not this. CEOs are salesmen of precisely one thing: Themselves. A great salesman can sell a lot of crappy anything.

All too often, the highest paid CEO is the bringer of the "miracle turnaround", taking a company from losing money to making big bucks in a matter of months, then moving on to the next job and an even higher salary.

But it is easy to turn a company around in the short run: Fire a bunch of employees and sell of a bunch of assetts. Overnight you have positive income and lots of cash.

Eventually though, these guys start believing their own BS and stick around a little too long. The next morning when the party is over the hangover starts. They haven't solved the fundamental problem, they have just kicked it down the road. Their products still aren't selling, and now they have fired all the employees who were working on the next big thing and liquidated all the assetts they would have used to manufacture them. Then they get the golden parachute at precisely the time the company can least afford it.

Even worse, before they take the jump out of the plane they are flying into the ground they take all that cash they generated firing employees and selling assets and buy another failing business and repeat the process. What you have is not productivity but a cycle of destruction akin to a pyramid scheme.

These big companies are not sources of wealth, they are sinks. What keeps them afloat is the truly innovative products produced by the smaller businesses they sometimes purchase.

Would the stockholders of Home Depot be worse off with the CEO of Costco at the helm? Hardly. Not only would they have a competent CEO, they would have one whose salary doesn't resemble a pirate raid on the company's books.

13 posted on 01/22/2007 9:50:07 PM PST by hopespringseternal
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To: BartMan1; Nailbiter; Forecaster; stanley windrush

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14 posted on 01/22/2007 9:50:27 PM PST by IncPen (When Al Gore Finished the Internet, he invented Global Warming)
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To: hopespringseternal

Bravo. You nailed it.


15 posted on 01/22/2007 10:03:55 PM PST by gas0linealley
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To: hopespringseternal

Did you, by any chance, see yourself in the article?


16 posted on 01/22/2007 10:33:23 PM PST by ClaireSolt (Have you have gotten mixed up in a mish-masher?)
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To: gas0linealley

Well, he nailed something, but I'm not sure it was the target.

The fact remains that, basically, people haven't the standing or the knowledge to meaningfully criticize what other people choose to do with their money, and nothing in the post in question deal with this reality.

Instead he goes off on executive salaries exactly in the way Sowell complains of, but without dealing with the crux of Sowell's critique. It's OK (if risky) to disagree with Sowell, but anyone doing so ought to at least offer up some reasons and deal with Sowell's argumentation head on.


17 posted on 01/22/2007 11:11:29 PM PST by John Valentine
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To: jazusamo

Liberal economic ignoramuses (I know, I'm being redundant) just can't understand how someone who has no direct interest in your wellbeing can help you. In lib world someone must intentionally say they want to help someone and not make a cent off it to count as help. So according to libs, that "greedy" boss who gives you a job because he's forced to is not helping you. And the nitwit good person who is nice to you but can't give you a job or does a poor job educating or training you is helping you. In lib world, that makes sense.


18 posted on 01/23/2007 3:12:34 AM PST by driftless2
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To: jazusamo
"Dr. Sowell"

More than any other living American, Tom Sowell's books (of which I have a number) and articles should be required reading in all classrooms from high school on up.

19 posted on 01/23/2007 3:14:13 AM PST by driftless2
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I once had a conversation with the principal of a grade school. He had called my company to troubleshoot a computer network. Way back then, the "going rate" for a "network engineer" was $75 an hour. When he was told that would be the rate he was going to be billed, he exclaimed that he only paid a plumber $35 an hour! My response was, "So get your plumber to straighten out your damned network."

This is also why you can find a web programmer in silicon valley for just over minimum wage, but finding a good plumber, HVAC tech, or finishing carpenter is going to really cost you. It has to do with the relative value of certain skills, and just how scarce those skills are.

There's an old joke where the punchline is,

Total service fee: $5000.

Hitting the pipe with the hammer: $5.

Knowing where to hit the pipe with the hammer: $4995.

Mark

20 posted on 01/23/2007 3:29:38 AM PST by MarkL (When Kaylee says "No power in the `verse can stop me," it's cute. When River says it, it's scary!)
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To: jazusamo
"...demanding that everything "justify itself before the bar of reason" means demanding that people who know what they are doing must be subject to the veto of people who don't have a clue about the decisions that they are second-guessing."

Close - the original maxim was sound, but what has happened is that everything must "justify itself before the bar of _emotion_ and brainwashed mobocracy." Reason and logic isn't part of the plan, lest the herd start getting uppity.
21 posted on 01/23/2007 3:36:50 AM PST by Freedom4US (u)
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To: ClaireSolt

Good point. Glad you made it. I didn't want to get in a flame war with the guy.


22 posted on 01/23/2007 3:48:46 AM PST by Hardastarboard (DemocraticUnderground.com is an internet hate site.)
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To: gcruse

My guess is that Home Depot negotiated the compensation at the time of hiring the CEO, not at the time he left the company.


23 posted on 01/23/2007 4:02:23 AM PST by Loyal Buckeye
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To: driftless2

His Basic Economics is brilliant, and would be my textbook of choice if I had to teach the subject.


24 posted on 01/23/2007 4:35:22 AM PST by Lusis ("Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself.")
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To: jazusamo
If someone with half a milion dollars gave up his entire net worth, 500,000 people in this country would receive $1 each in their bank account. How would leaving him penniless make them richer? If you stop to think about it, wealth redistribution is stupid. It hasn't made mankind richer, either in terms of material prosperity or personal wealth.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

25 posted on 01/23/2007 4:41:01 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: hopespringseternal

Excllent job of proving the author's point.


26 posted on 01/23/2007 4:53:32 AM PST by CharacterCounts (-)
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To: jazusamo

"All of us have thousands of things happening around us that we do not understand. We use computers all the time but most of us could not build a computer if our life depended on it -- and those few individuals who could probably couldn't grow orchids or train horses.

In short, we all have grossly inadequate knowledge in other people's specialties."

Exactly. I've been self-employed for over 5 years now. Some days I can't believe what and how much people will pay me for my particular "brands" of expertise. I'm a firm believer that everyone has unique skills to exploit for their own personal gain. For some reason, we get it drummed into our heads that we couldn't possibly survive by our own skills, aptitudes and wits. Pish!

Our circle of friends is rather large and quite varied, but if I need something, I can get it done for me quickly and competently. Please don't think I'm trying to make my life seem like a Socialist Utopia, but when someone has what you need, and you need what someone else has, it's great to barter and/or be paid for those skills.

"One of the reasons why central planning sounds so good, but has failed so badly that even socialist and communist governments finally abandoned the idea by the end of the 20th century, is that nobody knows enough to second guess everybody else."

I'd never try to fix my furnace myself; that's where Doug comes in. If I need a new window, I call Dennis. If I need accounting advice, I call Jessica. If I need Veterinary care for one of my animals, I call Dr. Smith, etc.

If I needed a CEO commanding millions of dollars a year who can get me great returns on my investment in his/her company, I guess I'd want a competent one available too, LOL!


27 posted on 01/23/2007 5:06:26 AM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Loyal Buckeye
My guess is that Home Depot negotiated the compensation at the time of hiring the CEO, not at the time he left the company.

You are correct. 90% of what Nardelli received was negotiated prior to his taking the position. The Board had to honor his contract. That fact won't stop the anti-capitalists from ranting though.

28 posted on 01/23/2007 6:18:34 AM PST by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: jazusamo
I could become so greedy that I wanted a fortune twice the size of Bill Gates' -- but this greed would not increase my income by one cent.

Thomas Sowell is not just brilliant, he's also hilarious. For an economist, that's amazing.

29 posted on 01/23/2007 6:24:42 AM PST by T. Buzzard Trueblood ("Climate changes - this is what it does.” Dr. Martin Keeley)
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To: John Valentine
The following, from Sowell's article, appeared to me to be an effort to deceive:

The real question, then, is: Why do other people choose to pay corporate executives so much? One popular explanation is that executive salaries are set by boards of directors who are spending the stockholders' money and do not care that they are overpaying a CEO, who may be the one responsible for putting them on the board of directors in the first place. It makes a neat picture and may even be true in some cases. What deals a body blow to this theory, however, is that CEO compensation is even higher in corporations owned by a few giant investment firms, as distinguished from corporations owned by thousands of individual stockholders. In other words, it is precisely where people are spending their own money and have financial expertise that they bid highest for CEOs. It is precisely where people most fully understand the difference that the right CEO can make in a corporation's profitability that they are willing to bid what it takes to get the executive they want.

Did you catch it?

... may even be true in some cases.
30 posted on 01/23/2007 7:21:34 AM PST by gas0linealley
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

If Sowell, and you, are correct, then the CEO doesn't fully understand the job of anyone else in their business. What then, exactly, is the CEO's function, and what makes their own skill so rare? If it is indeed rare, or is it just that so few persons ever get the opportunity to demonstrate their own ability to do the CEO's job?


31 posted on 01/23/2007 7:31:32 AM PST by gas0linealley
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To: ModelBreaker

Executive compensation, as well as labor's, and all other costs, plus profit, directly impact the cost of products, therefore consumers have a right to voice their opinions regarding same.


32 posted on 01/23/2007 7:35:38 AM PST by gas0linealley
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To: jazusamo

He says it like it is.


33 posted on 01/23/2007 7:38:10 AM PST by tillacum
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To: Cosmo
Great article.

If you like apologies.
34 posted on 01/23/2007 7:39:31 AM PST by gas0linealley
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To: driftless2
More than any other living American, Tom Sowell's books (of which I have a number) and articles should be required reading in all classrooms from high school on up.

Centralized planning appeals to you, then?
35 posted on 01/23/2007 7:48:04 AM PST by gas0linealley
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To: jazusamo

I love this guy! He's brilliant, and can explain things in terms the rest of us can understand.


36 posted on 01/23/2007 7:54:24 AM PST by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: MarkL

There may be many potentially great CEO's, who haven't had a turn at bat, but how many Boards would take the risk of choosing one? Instead, they get into a bidding war for one that has been fortunate enough to get a swing at the ball, and connect.


37 posted on 01/23/2007 7:55:03 AM PST by gas0linealley
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To: T. Buzzard Trueblood
Thomas Sowell is not just brilliant, he's also hilarious. For an economist, that's amazing.

People who don't have the personality to become accountants, instead, become economists.

38 posted on 01/23/2007 7:57:12 AM PST by Loyal Buckeye
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To: goldstategop
If someone with half a milion dollars gave up his entire net worth, 500,000 people in this country would receive $1 each in their bank account. How would leaving him penniless make them richer? If you stop to think about it, wealth redistribution is stupid. It hasn't made mankind richer, either in terms of material prosperity or personal wealth.

What do you call taking $1 from each of 500,000 people and putting them into the bank account of one individual? Isn't that, also, "wealth redistribution"?
39 posted on 01/23/2007 8:00:52 AM PST by gas0linealley
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To: goldstategop
And, if redistribution is the norm in a given society, the guy won't do the work to earn the $500K in the first place. And that doesn't in turn mean that the other people would have more money anyway, because I'm not talking about money, I'm, talking about work which produces wealth.

And I'm not saying some rich guys didn't get their money by crooked means, either, but so what? A percentage of people with middle class level wealth got it by breaking into houses, but we don't look at the other 99% of middle class people like they're crooks because of that.

40 posted on 01/23/2007 8:04:01 AM PST by Still Thinking (Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?)
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To: gas0linealley
consumers have a right to voice their opinions regarding same.

You are correct and the most effective way of doing that is through their wallet. And in our capitalistic society, that is exactly what we are doing.

41 posted on 01/23/2007 8:04:08 AM PST by jazusamo (http://warchronicle.com/TheyAreNotKillers/DefendOurMarines.htm)
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To: Still Thinking
I love this guy! He's brilliant, and can explain things in terms the rest of us can understand.

It always pays to get a second (and third) opinion, when dealing with such people.
42 posted on 01/23/2007 8:09:29 AM PST by gas0linealley
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To: gas0linealley
What do you call taking $1 from each of 500,000 people and putting them into the bank account of one individual? Isn't that, also, "wealth redistribution"?

Actually no. That one dollar from those 500,000 people wasn't taken from them, they chose to spend it for a product or service.

43 posted on 01/23/2007 8:11:10 AM PST by jazusamo (http://warchronicle.com/TheyAreNotKillers/DefendOurMarines.htm)
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To: jazusamo

There are many expenditures we make for which there is no better, or more desireable, alternate choice, therefore we have little, or no, leverage to influence management decisions.


44 posted on 01/23/2007 8:18:22 AM PST by gas0linealley
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To: gas0linealley

And like Dr. Sowell says, what makes you think you should make management decisions about a company or field of expertise you know nothing about?


45 posted on 01/23/2007 8:25:23 AM PST by jazusamo (http://warchronicle.com/TheyAreNotKillers/DefendOurMarines.htm)
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To: jazusamo
And like Dr. Sowell says, what makes you think you should make management decisions about a company or field of expertise you know nothing about?

If Dr. Sowell is correct about that, then most of us ought to surrender the right to vote.
46 posted on 01/23/2007 8:32:08 AM PST by gas0linealley
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To: gas0linealley
"centralized planning"

You'll have to explain that one.

47 posted on 01/23/2007 8:35:50 AM PST by driftless2
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To: driftless2

If someone has the power to mandate which books/authors must be read by all students, then I wold call that "centralized planning".

Such a power might require all students to read the New York Times. How would you like that?

"A little leaven, leavens the whole lump".


48 posted on 01/23/2007 8:45:13 AM PST by gas0linealley
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To: jazusamo
The following quote is one of those deeply wise observations from Mister Sowell which ought to be applied to many perspectives, not the least of which is the war against terrorism and the campaign in Iraq ... or the democrap trash talking against Condi Rice:

Given the high degree of specialization in a modern economyor in any field of foreign affairs, demanding that everything "justify itself before the bar of reason" means demanding that people who know what they are doing must be subject to the veto of people who don't have a clue about the decisions that they are second-guessing.

49 posted on 01/23/2007 8:46:12 AM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support. Promote life support for others.)
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To: gas0linealley
There are many expenditures we make for which there is no better, or more desireable, alternate choice, therefore we have little, or no, leverage to influence management decisions.

The above does not make a transaction "wealth redistribution," since everyone is subject to the same lack of choice.

50 posted on 01/23/2007 8:51:34 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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