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To: IronJack

It is completely inexcusable for an attorney to somehow believe what this guy is spewing. His argument is based on two very flawed assumptions:

1. Morality is decided by the majority of people and anyone who rejects that assertion is a ‘relativist’.
2. The people have the right to legislate issues outside the realm of morality.

First, a definition; I don’t want to talk about one thing and you think another. What is morality? Morality is a set of codes used by society to secure the individual rights of the people. If a particular issue does not adversely affect the individual rights of a person, it is not a moral issue.

On my number one. I’m an atheist but I’m also a moral objectivist. In this way I’m somewhat like many of you in that as Christians, many of you also believe morality is objective (although of course we differ on the source). The means that we all believe that in this country of 300 million people, if 299 million of them believe something is right that doesn’t necessarily make it so. We all know this is wrong. For number two, the Constitution clearly forbids it. Everything in the Bill of Rights is there to protect peoples individual rights against the government. As sick and disgusting as bestiality is, animals have no rights therefore there CAN NOT be any violation of them.

What is morally wrong is to base any law, any legislation on a morality that isn’t based on the protection of individual rights. The purpose of government isn’t to enforce some, or even a majority of a peoples ideas on morality; it’s to create a system that allows people to freely act insofar as they respect the rights of other individuals. Anything greater then that is simple tyranny.


14 posted on 01/25/2007 10:13:36 AM PST by Raymann
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To: Raymann
This is going to start an endless and irreconcilable debate, but I'm a sucker for lost causes.

First, a definition; I don’t want to talk about one thing and you think another. What is morality? Morality is a set of codes used by society to secure the individual rights of the people.

You've conveniently defined "morality" to buttress your argument. But I doubt one person in a thousand would agree with your definition. I prefer the one the dictionary provides:

Morality: A system of ideas of right and wrong conduct.

We're going to have to agree on the basics before we go any further.

18 posted on 01/25/2007 3:01:07 PM PST by IronJack (=)
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