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Boomers dropping the ball
Philly Burbs ^ | 1/25/07 | J.D. Mullane

Posted on 01/25/2007 7:12:35 AM PST by qam1

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To: qam1

boomers just want to raise taxes (and feed the pyramid scheme) on the kids and grandkids generations so they can "get their entitlements"


21 posted on 01/25/2007 8:17:15 AM PST by bluebeak
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To: Sherman Logan

What the writer also fails to mention is the declining birth rates in developed countries and the long term impact that is having on societies. In our country we are close to keeping pace but we are mortgaging the future by continuing to promise benefits that have not been accounted for.

His efforts to tie Boomers to the Iraq war are pathetic though...


22 posted on 01/25/2007 8:35:37 AM PST by misterrob (Jack Bauer/Chuck Norris 2008)
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To: ByDesign
Your response seems a little over the top. Many of the things of which you complain began and proceeded significantly long before Boomers rose to power, and there have been a number of positive deveopments since the first Boomer President was inaugurated in 1992.

Our dependence and reliance on government began to increase in 1932 and continued to do so until about 1995 (while the grandparents and parents of Boomers were "in charge"), after which that trend at least abated some.

Buckley began the modern conservative movement in the 50's when the dominant ideology of our intellectual and cultural elites was darn close to Marxist. Today the views expressed in the National Review are shared by many and Marxism has pretty much been relegated to a few aging academics.

The evangelical movement, which has revitalized Protestant Christianity in this country, is largely composed of Boomers and their children.

The middle class has not been destroyed. Kennedy was right. A rising tide has lifted all boats. Median (not average) household net worth adjusted for inflation is dramatically higher today than it was in 1950. Many of the "poor" of today live in a manner which would have been considered middle class in the 50's and 60's.

My two teenage daughters have career opportunities that my girlfriends in the 60's could only dream about.

Our political reluctance to reform Social Security and Medicare (it's not that difficult; just increase the eligibilty age to reflect longer lifespans) is not to be blamed on Boomers. It was the Greatest Generation that turned entitlement reform into the third rail of American politics.

Our environment, while sustaining many more people, is dramatically cleaner than it was in the 60's.

We do have corruption in government, but we always have. It's sort of in the nature of government to be corrupt; and it's hard to argue that the problem is worse now than it was in other periods of American history.

The average American worker is much more productive today than he was 40 years ago.

Life spans and the productive life spans continue to increase.

I'm not saying that we don't have problems or that the Boomer generation is not the principal source of some of those problems. I'm just saying that, measured in a lot of ways, the United States is wealthier, stonger, healthier, and more productive than it has ever been; and Boomers deserve at least some of the credit for that progress.

23 posted on 01/25/2007 9:07:50 AM PST by p. henry
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To: p. henry

"My two teenage daughters have career opportunities that my girlfriends in the 60's could only dream about."

Remember, some social conservatives won't see that as necessarily a GOOD thing. ;-D


24 posted on 01/25/2007 9:09:50 AM PST by linda_22003
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To: p. henry

You are correct, the boomers actually brought a halt to the race to hell, of the previous generations, now the fight is on to roll back some of that destruction by the "greatest generation".

I look at the 1930s to the 1970s as the dark ages for America, a dark ages that we will never recover from.

Besides turning us into a socialist country, the WWII generation did something that cannot be removed, and that determines our future, they wrote the 1965 immigration act, to replace the American people.


25 posted on 01/25/2007 9:58:41 AM PST by ansel12 (America, love it ,or at least give up your home citizenship before accepting ours too.)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

If you follow the logic to abortion, it is the right of the woman to decide, our Government will enact euthenasia in the next 10 years. It will run something like "Logans Run" when you hit a pre-determined age (80), you will be required to report to a termination facility.

When I hit senior citizen status (65) and the Government tries this foolish idea, there will be a lot of body bags to be filled. I am an expert shot with both a pistol and high powered rifle. Before I "volunteer" for any termination of my bodily functions, they will have to come with force.


26 posted on 01/25/2007 10:10:44 AM PST by DownInFlames
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To: qam1
More brainless boomer bashing. Here's an example:

How can it be that two Ivy League-educated commanders in chief of the greatest military force the world had ever known, could not quell a fairly small, poorly equipped, force of jihadists who operated on a shoestring budget?

Uh, because the entire premise is flawed, that they aren't operating on a "shoestring budget" but enjoy state-level support in terms of funding, logistics, training, and sanctuary. That is, after all, what this is all about, and anyone who doesn't understand that hasn't been paying attention.

This sort of stuff is the tedious whining of someone whose principal fear is not that the Boomers have hogged it all for themselves, but that he won't be able to hog it all for himself when his turn comes. Which makes him better than those he accuses precisely how? Color me unimpressed.

27 posted on 01/25/2007 10:19:17 AM PST by Billthedrill
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To: misterrob

I was ready to dismiss his arguments until I saw the author. He's a good reporter who isn't afraid to write as he sees it. And he's a conservative. He makes some good points, even similar to what the president made in his SOTU speech. I don't agree with his tying Boomers to the war, but he said he wants it to succeed which is much more than most of his colleagues can say.


28 posted on 01/25/2007 10:26:58 AM PST by twigs
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To: ByDesign
Is there any hope?

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Nope, might as well shoot yourself.

29 posted on 01/25/2007 10:29:15 AM PST by wtc911 (You can't get there from here)
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To: ansel12
Besides turning us into a socialist country, the WWII generation did something that cannot be removed, and that determines our future, they wrote the 1965 immigration act, to replace the American people.

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We can also thank them for Viet Nam and abortion on demand.

30 posted on 01/25/2007 10:50:02 AM PST by wtc911 (You can't get there from here)
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To: ansel12


I'm proud to be one of the "boomer" generation. As a decendent of the "greatest" generation I was brought up on the American dream, that if you work hard, get as much education as you can, then almost all things are possible. America was the leading the world with manufactured goods produced by hard working people who earned a living wage with only one purpose in life, to make a better life than the parents before them had.

I did not invent Social Security, but was told by my government that the "trust fund" existed as a cushion so people, as they became elderly, wouldn't have to worry as much about money.

During the past ten years or so, everything I learned about this country has been just bull@!&t! Downsizing, global economy, anything for a buck. Social Security for illegal aliens. I doubt that any "gen Xer" playing ps3 in mom"s basement has any answers either!!!!!!!!!
























31 posted on 01/25/2007 11:02:25 AM PST by hondo1951 (i live in happy valley, but i'm not happy, BUT I'M TRYING)
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To: p. henry

I think boomers are getting a lot of the blame for these messes just because they were coming of age when the decisions were being made. No one seems to want to blame the "greatest generation", but they were responsible for abortion, social security, vietnam and the rise of terrorism.

Sure, boomers were responsible for not having the guts to confront these problems when they became too obvious to hide anymore, but I haven't seen any generation that came after boomers be any more willing to confront them either. Don't forget it was a boomer president who had the guts to even mention social security reform, let alone put it on the table for discussion. According to this article, boomers haven't even begun retiring yet, yet we're blamed for breaking the system?

Don't get me wrong, I have enormous respect for the "greatest generation", but that doesn't absolve them of guilt in starting these problems in the first place.

And as for the gen Xers, sitting in their high and mighty towers, bitching because boomers didn't save for their own retirement, that's a crock. Xers have had a heck of a lot more options for saving than any generation before. Boomers didn't have the opportunity to enter into the job market at 20 or 21 and have 401k options. Most boomers worked to support their families, leaving little left over for saving. We were told, by the "greatest generation" not to worry about retirement, they had it taken care of...and to prove it they took our money before we had the chance to invest it or save it on our own.

Before people complain about all the harm boomers have done, maybe they should take a trip back in history to see what confronted a coming of age boomer, and compare it to what confronted the next generations.

sorry for the rant :)


32 posted on 01/25/2007 11:41:57 AM PST by DancingMyRainbow
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To: qam1

"a generation so proud of its own social conscience"

Anybody with a brain knows this is a BS myth made up to quell the conscience or the self absorbed.


33 posted on 01/25/2007 11:45:08 AM PST by statered ("And you know what I mean.")
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To: DancingMyRainbow

"I think boomers are getting a lot of the blame for these messes just because they were coming of age when the decisions were being made."




By making it about the "boomer generation", the "60s", the "summer of love" etc., it makes it all seem inevitable, a sign of modern America, a revolution brought on by the young.

The strategy by the left is effective, it keeps us away from examining when fascism, and communism were sweeping the globe (including America), and we had an American president that threw out tradition, and won 4 elections and thank God, finally died to end his reign in office.

The strategy keeps us from examining the intense losing battles of the 50s, to defeat communisms gains in America.

During the decades of 1930 to about 1975, the left was mostly unstoppable and that was when the bulk of the damage was done, that was when the bulk of the legislative, and institutional damage was done.

As bad as things are from 1975 to the present, the period when boomers started voting and participating, things have been less destructive than the root causes which originated in those earlier decades.


34 posted on 01/25/2007 12:23:49 PM PST by ansel12 (America, love it ,or at least give up your home citizenship before accepting ours too.)
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To: qam1

Reading this I'm reminded of Louis XV of France, who, though aware his country was heading toward economic disaster, remarked, "Apres moi le deluge." (After me comes the flood.) He knew the Revolution was coming, but not till after his lifetime. And, he knew he was powerless to stop it, but not going to be affected directly by it anyway.

I imagine this is the attitude of many Boomers, who probably don't care about the impending crises. As long as they're not around, anyway, even though they helped cause it.


35 posted on 01/25/2007 3:42:53 PM PST by MoochPooch (I'm a compassionate cynic.)
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To: ansel12
First, boomers started to participate in the mid 60's, not the mid 70's. Second, who do you think it is that puts about and perpetrates this leftest trash?

I am appalled by the absolute lack of leadership among what pass for leaders in my generation. The tactics they learned about enforcing conformity in dissent in the 60's has led to the enforcement of conformity ever since. Just watch Hillary to see how it is done. This is the generation that got ahead, ultimately, by going along.

36 posted on 01/25/2007 3:56:58 PM PST by AndyJackson
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To: ByDesign
Most people I know my age feel unfranchised and ripped off.

I am at the bottom end of the baby boom generation, and let me tell you, looking up from my position it does not look a whole lot better. I went overseas for 3 years in the Navy in the 70's and came back to a country I did not recognize. All the pay I had scrimped and saved for graduate school was worthless. Inflation made rich those who had borrowed to the hilt and "invested" in real estate. Volker's dose of reality was short lived as Greenspan turned on the money spigot again, and has left it on ever since, rewarding those who owned assets over those who worked, studied and saved.

The reason you should feel ripped off is because you have been ripped off.

37 posted on 01/25/2007 4:03:40 PM PST by AndyJackson
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To: AndyJackson

"First, boomers started to participate in the mid 60's, not the mid 70's.



Yes the very oldest boomer first voted in 1967, and the WWII generation will probably make their last vote in the the 2040s, but the participation, and level of leadership at those extremes is pretty weak.


""The tactics they learned about enforcing conformity in dissent in the 60's has led to the enforcement of conformity ever since. Just watch Hillary to see how it is done. This is the generation that got ahead, ultimately, by going along.""

If you look at conformity in 1965 versus now, now is much less conformist. In 1965 the left owned it all ABC,NBC,CBS,PBS, now we have Fox, and talk radio, and conservative magazines and books.

We even held the Congress and Senate until this last election, in 1965 Republicans were not very powerful at all.




38 posted on 01/25/2007 4:18:09 PM PST by ansel12 (America, love it ,or at least give up your home citizenship before accepting ours too.)
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To: Sicon

Preach it brother!

I'm 32 years old. I have utter contempt for the baby boomers. They are the ruin of everything. If it were up to me, they wouldn't get two cents in entitlements.


39 posted on 01/25/2007 5:54:55 PM PST by pacelvi
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To: DancingMyRainbow
Boomers didn't have the opportunity to enter into the job market at 20 or 21 and have 401k options.

Right, Boomers had pension plans too.

Most boomers worked to support their families, leaving little left over for saving.

We are also working to support our families, and knowing that many of us will have no pension available, some of us are saving in retirement plans as well. Not nearly as many people are saving as necessary, but that's true all over.

We were told, by the "greatest generation" not to worry about retirement, they had it taken care of...and to prove it they took our money before we had the chance to invest it or save it on our own.

Haven't we Gen X-ers been told the same thing? They take our money, just like they take yours. Unfortunately, we'll probably not see any of it. You likely will.

40 posted on 01/25/2007 6:09:48 PM PST by Dianna
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