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Why anti-immigration conservatives fell flat in 2006
Reason magazine ^ | February 2007 | David Weigel

Posted on 01/27/2007 8:55:29 AM PST by spintreebob

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Is he correct about the hard-liners not being honest about the reality? Or are the hard-liners ready to shift their rhetoric to be more in line with reality?
1 posted on 01/27/2007 8:55:31 AM PST by spintreebob
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One more time.

The exit polls showed the #1 issue of voters was not immigration, not taxes, not abortion, not guns and NOT IRAQ.

It was corruption scandals, of which the GOP had a ton.

Get rid of them, find explicitly indictable dirt on Dems, and the majority will return.


2 posted on 01/27/2007 8:57:18 AM PST by Owen
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To: Owen
One more time. The exit polls showed the #1 issue of voters was not immigration, not taxes, not abortion, not guns and NOT IRAQ. It was corruption scandals, of which the GOP had a ton. Get rid of them, find explicitly indictable dirt on Dems, and the majority will return.

The exist polls always show the dems winning, too, in every election.

The real reason the Dems won was the faux Conservatives like Webb they put up and the fact that the Republicans went to their country club leanings and didn't really fight back.

3 posted on 01/27/2007 8:59:34 AM PST by Stepan12 (Mark Steyn: "We are all spaniards now.")
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To: spintreebob

The GOP (borrow & spend) was tossed out because they alienated their base. The Dems (tax & spend) are true to their base.


4 posted on 01/27/2007 9:00:17 AM PST by Spirochete
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To: Owen

the GOP by acting like Democrats in almost everyway, kept the faithful home on election day.

Why come back year after year and vote for these people who stab their constituents in the back constantly.

I voted Repub....I held my nose and pulled the lever...but I am not proud of it.


5 posted on 01/27/2007 9:00:51 AM PST by Vaquero ("An armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: chicagolady; DMZFrank; TheRightGuy; haplesswanderer; Chi-townChief; BillyBoy; Condor51

A Bloomington co-worker follows Tom Roeser religiously and is very vocal at work. He still remembers Jim Leahy the Sunday before the primary. Jim supported honesty over corruption. But Jim became passionate, as only Jim can, about immigration.

I have previously said that the anti-illegal voices came accross as mean-spirited.

My co-worker's opinion was that Jim and the anti-immigrant voices came accross as dis-honest. My co-worker said "Real people aren't concerned about immigration. To say that we are is dis-honest. So if the Oberweiss people are dishonest and the Topinka people are dishonest, what is the difference?

I had not previously thought of it that way.


6 posted on 01/27/2007 9:04:51 AM PST by spintreebob
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To: Owen

Corruption was certainly #1 in IL


7 posted on 01/27/2007 9:05:31 AM PST by spintreebob
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To: Stepan12
The real reason the Dems won was the faux Conservatives

That ignores that fact that the real conservatives, such as Oberweis, in my IL, couldn't even win the primary. If the real conservatives could win the primaries by being smart, and honest and in touch with reality, then we would not have to worry about faux conservatives in November.

8 posted on 01/27/2007 9:08:03 AM PST by spintreebob
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We threw out a RINO (Joe Schwarz) in my district and elected anti amnesty Tim Walberg in his place. Walberg was one of very few candidates endorsed by the minuteman PAC.


9 posted on 01/27/2007 9:08:48 AM PST by cripplecreek (Peace without victory is a temporary illusion.)
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To: spintreebob; Spiff
Graf, who was running for the seat of immigration moderate (and fellow Republican) Jim Kolbe, got financial support from the border-patrolling Minuteman project. Both men lost congressional seats in districts that had twice voted for George W. Bush.

Ouch, that has got to hurt the Bush hating true conservatives on FR, right in the family jewels.

10 posted on 01/27/2007 9:11:44 AM PST by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: spintreebob

Approximately 11.5% of all Republican seats in Congress were lost in November 2007. Only approximately 6.7% of the members of Rep. Tom Tancredo's Immigration Reform Caucus lost their seats.

J.D. Hayworth had serious problems because of significant ties to the Jack Abramoff scandal.

In a year dominated by Democrats, it is not surprise that Vernon Robinson was soundly defeated in a district in which Democrats outnumber Republicans. There was not a single incumbent Democrat member of the House of Representatives that was defeated.

Many Democrats that won ran campaigns that made them appear to be as tough or tougher on border security than their Republican opponents.

By the way, the leading anti-illegal immigration conservative, Rep. Tancredo, won his district with 58.8% of the vote against a strong Demcoratic opponent and a Libertarian opponent.

www.teamtancredo.com


11 posted on 01/27/2007 9:13:58 AM PST by arnoldpalmerfan (Tancredo for President 2008)
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The first sentence of paragraph three of post number eleven should have read "In a year dominated by Democrats, it is no surprise that Vernon Robinson was soundly defeated in a district in which Democrats outnumber Republicans."


12 posted on 01/27/2007 9:15:11 AM PST by arnoldpalmerfan (Tancredo for President 2008)
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To: Vaquero
the GOP by acting like Democrats in almost everyway, kept the faithful home on election day.

Uh the GOP House resisted the Senate's and President's proposals on immigration.

What did that get the former GOP House, a 31 seat loss.

13 posted on 01/27/2007 9:15:21 AM PST by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: spintreebob

GOP leadership still can't figure out why the lost in 06. How the hell do they expect to win in 08, then?


The GOP better buy a clue or they are going to remain in minority status for a few decades --- again.


14 posted on 01/27/2007 9:18:06 AM PST by TomGuy
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GOP leadership still can't figure out why the lost in 06. How the hell do they expect to win in 08, then?

And your answer would be for Tom Tancredo to be the baton leader, I surmise as I roll my eyes.

15 posted on 01/27/2007 9:19:46 AM PST by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: spintreebob
A Bloomington co-worker follows Tom Roeser religiously and is very vocal at work.

Is this the "co-worker" you see in the mirror each morning?

just keep spinning ... just keep spinning ...

illegal is still illegal

16 posted on 01/27/2007 9:23:02 AM PST by TheRightGuy (ERROR CODE 018974523: Random Tagline Compiler Failure)
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To: TomGuy

I suspect that many of those who demanded that we vote for any given RINO didn't follow their own advice and sat out the race rather than vote for Hayworth, Allen, etc. With the hate they expressed for the anti amnesty candidates, it's a little hard to believe that they voted for them anyway.


17 posted on 01/27/2007 9:24:24 AM PST by cripplecreek (Peace without victory is a temporary illusion.)
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To: spintreebob
Most Americans, though eager to exercise some control over the border, don't see their would-be fellow citizens as a menace. Immigration hawks who look at those huddled masses and choose to see an ugly threat will keep getting the same results they got this year. They'll lose.

Utter and complete .. Bullshiite.
The Great Illegal Immigration Myth of '06

And just for fun -- how these 'hard working good people', aka "immigrants" are contributing to American Society.
The Illegal-Alien Crime Wave
By Heather MacDonald, City Journal, January 14, 2004 (FrontPageMag.com)

Round em up and deport them all --- including those so-called anchor babies. Trains, Planes, Semitrailers, I don't give a rat's a$$.

And Federal Prison for enablers and abettors.

18 posted on 01/27/2007 9:26:47 AM PST by Condor51 (The demoncRATs don't want another 'Vietnam' - they want another Dien Bien Phu.)
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To: Vaquero
"I voted Repub....I held my nose and pulled the lever...but I am not proud of it."

Needed: A 3rd party called the Integrity Party. Pols in that party state who they are, do what they say, are disinterested in politics as a career, are not corruptible, let the chips fall where they fall, and leave office once either their purpose has expired or the voters say no.
19 posted on 01/27/2007 9:38:24 AM PST by raftguide
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To: TheRightGuy

The origin of my screen name. In the 90s I came home from a fantastic presentation I did at the Software Process Improvement Network - SPIN. My daughter was setting up our first computer connected to the internet. She asked what I wanted for a screen name. Bob, Robert, etc were all taken.

So my daughter asked me where I had just come from, what my life was about. I replied SPIN. that was taken. She also knew that I was constantly harping on balancing the B-tree index in DB2 database, which was my specialty.

So my daughter gave me the name spintreebob.

That it means anything else is pure coincidence, but sometimes a convenient coincidence.


20 posted on 01/27/2007 9:46:13 AM PST by spintreebob
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