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Hawaii House Committee Will Consider Bill to Allow Assisted Suicide
Life News ^ | 2/1/07 | Steven Ertelt

Posted on 02/01/2007 3:59:57 PM PST by wagglebee

Honolulu, HI (LifeNews.com) -- The Hawaii state legislature is once again tackling the issue of assisted suicide and a state House committee will consider a bill soon that would make the state just the second to legalize the practice. Only Oregon has legalized assisted suicide and measures in several states, including Hawaii, have failed to add others to the list.

In 2002, a similar bill backed by then-governor Ben Cayetano (D), passed the House 30-20, but it was defeated in the Senate by only 3 votes.

Then in 2005, the state House Health Committee quickly voted down a bill to legalize assisted suicide.

That committee will hold another hearing in the next 10 days on a measure sponsored by its chairman, Democratic state Rep. Josh Green. He told the Honolulu Star-Bulletin newspaper that he met with party leaders and got his bill assigned to his committee.

"I'm going to hear it in the next 10 days because people deserve to have a hearing on things they're passionate about," Green said. "It's an emotional issue and it's a critical issue because we have to be safe with peoples' lives."

House Judiciary Vice Chairman Blake Oshiro, a Democrat, is a leading co-sponsor along with twelve other Democrats and two Republicans.

Meanwhile, Senate President Colleen Hanabusa introduced a companion bill (SB 1995) in the Senate, though no hearing has been scheduled on it.

Asked about the prospects of the bill, Green told the newspaper, "It's not a foregone conclusion whether it will pass or fail."

Pro-life groups again said they would strongly oppose the bill and they will be joined by medical groups and disability rights organizations.

Kelly Rosati, executive director of the Hawaii Family Forum, told the Star-Bulletin, "I think it's a proposal that's opposed by pretty much all of Hawaii's medical community, the disability rights community as well as by many in the faith community."

The American Civil Liberties Union of Hawaii says it supports the proposal.

During the last debate, Dr. William Petty, an oncologist, said patients facing death "are potential victims of subtle and not-so-subtle coercion."

"Care and treatment can be expensive," he added. "Manipulation of patients is a real problem when physician-assisted suicide becomes an option."

Michael Tada, who suffers from cerebral palsy, had a difficult time sharing his views against the bill.

Through an independent living aide, Tada said he thought the bill would legitimatize suicide and said he might not be alive now if allowed a doctor's help to end his life.

In addition to pro-life groups, the Hawaii Medical Association opposed the bill and Dr. Leonard Howard, past president of the group, said the bill "offers only one idea -- death."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cultureofdeath; euthanasia; moralabsolutes; prolife
During the last debate, Dr. William Petty, an oncologist, said patients facing death "are potential victims of subtle and not-so-subtle coercion."

"Care and treatment can be expensive," he added. "Manipulation of patients is a real problem when physician-assisted suicide becomes an option."

100% correct!

1 posted on 02/01/2007 4:00:01 PM PST by wagglebee
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To: cgk; Coleus; cpforlife.org; Mr. Silverback; narses; 8mmMauser

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2 posted on 02/01/2007 4:00:35 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: T'wit; bjs1779; BykrBayb; Lesforlife

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3 posted on 02/01/2007 4:00:59 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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4 posted on 02/01/2007 4:01:27 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee
Hawaii House Committee Will Consider Bill to Allow Assisted Suicide

OK....they can go first...

5 posted on 02/01/2007 4:02:35 PM PST by edpc (The pen is mightier than the sword......until you fight someone.)
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To: wagglebee

Go to hell, go directly to hell do not pass GO do not collect $200.


6 posted on 02/01/2007 4:04:15 PM PST by proudmilitarymrs (It's not immigration, it's an invasion!)
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To: wagglebee

Assisted suicide IS euthanasia...anyone who contends otherwise is a moron.


7 posted on 02/01/2007 4:05:33 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Voted Free Republic's Most Eligible Bachelor: 2006. Love them Diebold machines.)
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To: Joe 6-pack

Assisted suicide is merely a suicide assisted. Just like for me to pull your wallet out of your pocket would be a criminal offense, but it would cease being an offense [and I could not be called a pickpocket] if I were to do it at your request [say, you have an injured hand or something]. Ditto here. Assisted suicide is no different in the degree of criminality than an unassisted variety.


8 posted on 02/01/2007 4:19:04 PM PST by GSlob
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To: Joe 6-pack

A moron, and a liar. They're stupid enough to think we'll believe their lies.


9 posted on 02/01/2007 4:22:56 PM PST by BykrBayb (Be careful what you ask for, and even more careful what you demand. )
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To: wagglebee

Never fear. There're at least two years left for Bush's DOJ to convince Congress that assisted suicide is interstate commerce.


10 posted on 02/01/2007 4:35:56 PM PST by gcruse (http://garycruse.blogspot.com/)
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To: wagglebee
"The American Civil Liberties Union of Hawaii says it supports the proposal."

No need for any confusion here, the ACLU has always supported murderers.

11 posted on 02/01/2007 4:56:34 PM PST by bjs1779
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To: wagglebee

Hopefully, they won't actually go through with it.


12 posted on 02/01/2007 4:58:44 PM PST by Clintonfatigued (If the GOP were to stop worshiping Free Trade as if it were a religion, they'd win every election)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Hawaii is full of leftists, they probably will vote for it.


13 posted on 02/01/2007 5:03:06 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee
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14 posted on 02/02/2007 4:27:01 AM PST by 8mmMauser (Jezu ufam tobie...Jesus I trust in Thee)
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To: GSlob
"Assisted suicide is no different in the degree of criminality than an unassisted variety."

The justification, most frequently cited for *assisted suicide* is for there be a physician present to ensure "nothing goes wrong." If the party who had previously consented to suicide, hesitates or waivers at the last minute, but is incapable of communicating that thought, the physician would almost surely interpret this as his cue to step in and consummate the act to ensure nothing went wrong. It is giving the physician (or simply the assisting party) the ultimate authority over the decision as to whether or not the person lives or dies, and does not honor the final wish of the patient. That is euthanasia regardless of any term you should use in its stead.

15 posted on 02/02/2007 5:55:13 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Voted Free Republic's Most Eligible Bachelor: 2006. Love them Diebold machines.)
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To: Joe 6-pack

What is needed there is not so much a physician as a notary, or a judge, to provide for the due process and minimize abuses. Hence the need for legal framework.


16 posted on 02/02/2007 6:06:23 AM PST by GSlob
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To: GSlob; Joe 6-pack
What is needed there is not so much a physician as a notary, or a judge, to provide for the due process and minimize abuses. Hence the need for legal framework.

Why is euthanasia "needed" at all?

17 posted on 02/02/2007 6:08:27 AM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: GSlob; wagglebee
"What is needed there is not so much a physician as a notary, or a judge, to provide for the due process and minimize abuses."

You're kidding right? What you're suggesting is that if one decides to commit suicide, and has it "notarized," one then surrenders the ability to change their mind at the last minute...but you and those on your end of the argument insist that suicide is all about personal choice. What you are talking about is essentially hiring a hit man to take yourself out, and have a court witness the validity of the contract!! Do you realize how insane this is?

18 posted on 02/02/2007 6:15:25 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Voted Free Republic's Most Eligible Bachelor: 2006. Love them Diebold machines.)
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To: Joe 6-pack

Like everything else in the left's agenda, the arguments in favor of euthanasia are entirely emotional with almost no basis in either fact or reason.


19 posted on 02/02/2007 6:20:08 AM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee

LOL...I guess the notary at least makes a little bit of sense since you'll need to transfer the title of your car if you're going to have someone kill you...;-)


20 posted on 02/02/2007 6:23:05 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Voted Free Republic's Most Eligible Bachelor: 2006. Love them Diebold machines.)
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To: Joe 6-pack

Most notaries also charge a fee. What if a person writes the notary a bad check? Will the notary then have some claim on the person's estate?


21 posted on 02/02/2007 6:28:28 AM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee

Obviously, the right thing to do under such circumstances would be to pay the notary in cash. I think writing a bad check before having one's self snuffed might be considered an act of gross immorality.


22 posted on 02/02/2007 6:33:38 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Voted Free Republic's Most Eligible Bachelor: 2006. Love them Diebold machines.)
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To: wagglebee

Hawaii will no longer be called "paradise". What paradise can embrace euthanasia? Why is it it people cannot see that the Ultimate goal here will be to have someone else make that decision for you?


23 posted on 02/02/2007 6:36:11 AM PST by dforest (Liberals love crisis, create crisis and then dwell on them.)
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To: indylindy
"Why is it it people cannot see that the Ultimate goal here will be to have someone else make that decision for you?"

Because liberalism is all about having other people make decisions and take responsibility for you.

24 posted on 02/02/2007 6:42:08 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Voted Free Republic's Most Eligible Bachelor: 2006. Love them Diebold machines.)
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To: Joe 6-pack

Exactly. Do these folks really believe that when you give an inch they won't take a mile? To me, thats the liberal answer to Health Care. Put the sick and disabled at the end of the health chain and advocate euthanasia so others won't have to pay more for health care. After all, the sick and elderly probably aren't paying taxes the libs can take. It's there to see if you know the lib mind. They will create resentment for the sick and infirm. Voila. euthanasia their answer


25 posted on 02/02/2007 6:49:02 AM PST by dforest (Liberals love crisis, create crisis and then dwell on them.)
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To: Joe 6-pack

It is absolutely sane in a non-religious frame of reference. And I am not kidding in the least.


26 posted on 02/02/2007 12:17:33 PM PST by GSlob
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To: GSlob
"It is absolutely sane in a non-religious frame of reference."

So is communism.

27 posted on 02/02/2007 12:19:32 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Voted Free Republic's Most Eligible Bachelor: 2006. Love them Diebold machines.)
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To: Joe 6-pack

No. Communism is a way of life characterized by its collectivism [primacy of group over the individual]. What you saw there was a subspecies of right-wing libertarianism. Since libertarianism is individualistic, communism it is not.


28 posted on 02/02/2007 12:27:37 PM PST by GSlob
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To: GSlob
"No. Communism is a way of life..."

You fail to rebut my contention that communism makes sense from an atheistic / amoral standpoint, and therefore that euthanasia, which you refer to as, "assisted suicide," makes any more sense, or is any more, "sane." In fact, I would further contend that once one lapses (retreats) to an atheistic world view, one could argue that anything makes sense, because with man as the arbiter of all morality, the individual can justify any action. Conservatism, and indeed Americanism, in principle as articulated in our Declaration of Independence, are structured on moral absolutes, a higher power and inalienable principles which are completely independent of the opinions of a king, tyrant, or the Hawaiian legislature.

29 posted on 02/02/2007 12:34:38 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Voted Free Republic's Most Eligible Bachelor: 2006. Love them Diebold machines.)
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To: wagglebee

For the same reason as everything else done or available: because there are willing consumers, and who are you [or me] to impede their choice? The abuse to be prevented [as an example, nothing personal] is if you want to commit your suicide while owing me, say, $100 [or having any other unsatisfied contractual obligation, not necessarily to me] - and without paying your debt or making the provisions to pay it in your will. Thus the need for the due process and for a judge to sign off.


30 posted on 02/02/2007 12:38:59 PM PST by GSlob
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To: GSlob
"For the same reason as everything else done or available: because there are willing consumers, and who are you [or me] to impede their choice?"

See my previous reference to hit men / contract killers. Euthanasia is killing someone as a matter of convenience for others...no different than me having a creditor offed so they stop pestering me. Convenience and demand do not by themselves, legitimize a practice.

31 posted on 02/02/2007 12:43:01 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Voted Free Republic's Most Eligible Bachelor: 2006. Love them Diebold machines.)
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To: Joe 6-pack

While almost all forms of communism are atheistic, not every form of atheism is communistic. Some are anticommunist, as a matter of fact. Inverting this relationship is a logical fallacy.


32 posted on 02/02/2007 12:43:19 PM PST by GSlob
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To: GSlob
"While almost all forms of communism are atheistic, not every form of atheism is communistic."

I agree...indeed, and with the exception of monastic communities (where property is willingly surrendered and redistributed) communism is an abject failure where property is ultimately surrendered and redistributed by force.

I will take CS Lewis's tact in regards to your second assertion, and that is simply, that I don't believe in atheists. People will invent a god of their own making, if indeed, it is something as ridiculous as embracing atheism as their religion. My point is, our founders cemented our republic in the belief of a GOD...not necessarily a Christian God, but certainly a supreme force that exists above, and transcends the human experience. This is irrefutable, and a reading of the Declaration of Independence makes this lucidly clear to any but the most obtuse among us...

33 posted on 02/02/2007 12:51:55 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Voted Free Republic's Most Eligible Bachelor: 2006. Love them Diebold machines.)
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To: Joe 6-pack

Perfect response!


34 posted on 02/02/2007 2:01:09 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: GSlob

So you see murder as a consumer driven issue?


35 posted on 02/02/2007 2:01:55 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee
"Perfect response!"

I had it notarized.

36 posted on 02/02/2007 2:06:17 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Voted Free Republic's Most Eligible Bachelor: 2006. Love them Diebold machines.)
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To: wagglebee

It is NOT a murder. Murder is when someone is killing you, and you do not want it. When you do it to yourself [whether with or without assistance, does not matter, nor does it matter how you do it, even if by chain-smoking], it is not a murder but a suicide.


37 posted on 02/02/2007 2:11:35 PM PST by GSlob
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To: GSlob

If someone is laying in a hospital bed and ANOTHER PERSON has to take proactive measures that are designed to cause the death of the bedridden person, it is murder.


38 posted on 02/02/2007 2:14:07 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: GSlob

It's homocide plain and simple...the task you've set for yourself is to justify it.


39 posted on 02/02/2007 2:16:48 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Voted Free Republic's Most Eligible Bachelor: 2006. Love them Diebold machines.)
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To: GSlob; wagglebee

I don't mean to interject as I believe Wagglebee is perfectly capable of arguing this matter. I'm just *assisting*.


40 posted on 02/02/2007 2:18:44 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Voted Free Republic's Most Eligible Bachelor: 2006. Love them Diebold machines.)
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To: Joe 6-pack

Maybe it's like BJ Klintoon changing the definition of sex to suit his situation.


41 posted on 02/02/2007 2:18:52 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: Joe 6-pack

Sometimes debating the pro-death crowd is like a dog running across a frozen pond -- a lot of energy is burned up but you don't actually get anywhere.


42 posted on 02/02/2007 2:25:38 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee
"...a lot of energy is burned up but you don't actually get anywhere."

But it can be good exercise...and makes you examine why you believe what you believe...I don't expect to change these people's beliefs, but merely to strengthen my own.

43 posted on 02/02/2007 2:45:15 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Voted Free Republic's Most Eligible Bachelor: 2006. Love them Diebold machines.)
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To: wagglebee
And idiots.

Just reading about this for the first time. Have not seen on local media.

I better start finding a place to hide. These dems/libs are dangerous.


44 posted on 02/02/2007 2:47:13 PM PST by honolulugal
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To: Joe 6-pack

Very true.


45 posted on 02/02/2007 2:49:00 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: honolulugal

The shame is your state is the most beautiful place on earth, the only drawback is that it takes FOREVER to get there from the East Coast.


46 posted on 02/02/2007 2:50:14 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: Clintonfatigued
"Hopefully, they won't actually go through with it."

I know some of these "legislators". They have no qualifications, education, experience nor common sense.

They could very well could pass this.

47 posted on 02/02/2007 3:09:39 PM PST by honolulugal
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To: 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember; afraidfortherepublic; Alas; al_c; american colleen; annalex; ...


48 posted on 02/06/2007 7:19:42 PM PST by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, insects)
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