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Dakota Voice ^ | 1/29/2007 | Carrie K. Hutchens

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>> these sensitive beings are not bothered by the thought of pulling a helpless baby out of the womb and slaughtering it

C'mon, Mauser. Stop being judgmental. If you won't let them slaughter newborns, what are they going to roast for lunch?

[T'wit]

>> Submit presidential debate questions (MSNBC/Politico, May 3)

OK. "Why don't we skip the presidential race next year? There isn't a candidate in either party you could call honest."

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>> In a D&X, the intact fetus is withdrawn partway out of the womb and then dismembered, while during a D&E procedure, the fetus is dismembered inside the womb and then removed.

Have a heart, madam! And various other organs, limbs and body pieces! Put away your chain saw! You say that any old dismemberment will get the job done. And this is true. But HOW you dismember your baby matters to the law! Why, we are law-abiding citizens! We must dismember that child correctly! The Supreme Court has given you all the necessary guidelines for the slaughter. Stop grumping about it.

[floriduh voter]

Remember Terri's REAL family was not permitted by the Clearwater PD from seeing Terri even though their investigation was decided to be unfounded early on.

After public pressure,the Clwtr PD announced the Schindlers were innocent.

Then, in Baird's courtroom, Debra Bushnell (death-knell) wanted the Schindlers to pay for a security guard when they visited!

No Easter or Mother's Day. Both were missed.

Who needs the sci-fi channel when u have the Sixth Circuit Pinellas County and the lawyers and also the ACLU who caused a MURDER and many more we dont know about. after robbery...

[Sun]

Bump to Post #1551, and thanks 8mmMauser!

To reiterate, if you want to submit a question, you must register, but if you don’t want to register, you can look over the questions that have been submitted, and vote for the ones you like, and ignore the ones you don’t.

I went thru the first 3 pages so far, and picked out the questions I liked, but some of them obviously were from antilifers or bleeding-heart libs, and they were “Catch 22” questions. The libs are invading the Republican debate, as well as their own.

My goal was to let the antilife, bleeding-heart lib questions become less popular, because they can only ask a certain amount of questions at the debate, and they will ask the most popular ones, I would imagine.

[Sun]

“..Giuliani is such a flip-flopper,..”

Even though he has flip flopped, he still admits to be pro-abortion (although he isn’t that blunt about it.)

I was ready to give Romney the benefit of the doubt on his pro-life flip flops, until he said the government should not have stepped in to save Terri. Now I question his “change of heart” on all life issues.

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>> Even though he has flip flopped, he still admits to be pro-abortion

Can't get any wrong-er than that :-) As for Mitt, call me a cynic, but you don't get elected governor in a hyper-liberal state with credentials that will satisfy conservative Republicans. And just as a reminder, Haleigh Poutre was on his watch.

[8mmMauser]

Another perspective from the Dakota Voice and Carrie K. Hutchens...

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The Chronicle online (The Independent Daily at Duke University), has an interesting article, "Times Lax Coverage Comes Under Scrutiny" by Iza Wojciechowska (April 24, 2007). An article that focuses on the Time's coverage of the Duke Lacrosse case, but also one that can be applied when thinking of the coverage of other cases as well.

From the article...

"I think The Times' coverage was heartbreaking," said Daniel Okrent, who served as the first public editor of The Times from October 2003 to May 2005. "I understand why they jumped on the story when they did, but it showed everything that's wrong with American journalism."

Another quote...

"But even as criticisms of The Times' coverage began to emerge, the paper continued to provide coverage in the same vein.

And then...

"Despite the persistent criticism from other journalists, the blogosphere and the general public, The Times continued to stand behind its coverage and defend its decisions throughout the case's development."

In my opinion, all of these quotes used (and many not) could be referring to the Time's coverage of the Terri Schiavo case as well. It's amazing how similar it all is. Amazing how the Times, and other mainstream media, painted an inaccurate picture of Terri Schiavo and her case, and refused to make corrections when called on it. Amazing how they were standing behind their coverage in spite of any proof presented that their information was flawed. What's it matter if the reader is led to believe a person is brain dead, rather than brain damaged? Life and death for one thing!

I don't know how many times I heard people swear on wrongful information because they had read it in the Times or like publications. As was said in Wojciechowska's article...

"'A lot of people think The New York Times is a bible of what really happened,' Taylor said. 'I think an awful lot of people have been misled by The New York Times coverage and either didn't pay attention to what critics were saying or shrugged it off-'Who am I going to believe, The New York Times or some no-name critic in the blogosphere?'"

Once the Times, and other mainstream media, stated as fact that Terri Schiavo was brain dead and on life-support, they created the picture of a body being kept alive by machines. A body that couldn't survive without the machines and that once they were switched off, that would be the end of it. And that picture is what formed many an opinion in the Schiavo case.

Even a few months ago, someone said that Terri was brain dead and all her husband wanted to do was let her body go. After all, she would never be able to get off all those machines. I asked, "All of what machines?" This person was under the impression that Terri was on machines that helped her breathe and kept her heart beating. It was a shock for this person to learn that the "life-support" was merely a feeding tube. The person was very upset and saying, "But the news said..."

Many have been in a position of having to make a decision about letting a loved one go. As a result, many based their opinion of Terri's situation on their experience and what they believed were the facts in the case. Likewise, many based their opinion on who was allegedly fighting to save Terri and why these people were doing so. Didn't the media often spark people being called things such as: zealots, and right wing this and that, and religious fanatics, pro-life fanatics and so forth? Was it ever included (clearly) in the coverage that there were atheists, agnostics, non-Christians, liberals, disability groups and so forth that were fighting in the cause as well? Had that been covered adequately, might people have had an entirely different opinion about what was going on and why it was going on? Maybe they would have looked a little closer and found that people were fighting to save the life of a brain damaged woman -- not a brain dead one.

Some in the media speak of the public's right to know. In response, I feel it is the public's right to be given true and accurate information, not a story painted to suggest it is something other than it is. But just like with the Duke lacrosse case, Terri's was not reported fairly. Wojciechowska's article says it well (with regard to the Duke lacrosse case), ""[It] was the worst single piece of journalism I've ever seen in long form in a newspaper," Taylor said in an interview with The Chronicle. He added that many of the paper's articles-most of which were written by Wilson-were pro-Nifong and downplayed much of the defense's evidence.

"About the time Nifong dropped the rape charges [Dec. 22], they brought in a more serious reporter, and their coverage began to sound more like a newspaper and less like a propaganda organ for a transparently abusive prosecutor," Taylor added.

"Propaganda organ"! Good term. Perhaps that is what we should rename the mainstream media that dares to represent itself as a news media, while failing to provide true and accurate facts that actually do affect lives. After all, how many are dead or destroyed as the result of the poor journalism? Instead of adding to the latter victim group, maybe it is time to get back to journalism with a topping of ethics and pride in providing fair and accurate coverage. Maybe it is time for accountability!

 

News Media or Propaganda Organ?

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[8mmMauser]

Texas Futile Care Law on the front burner!

Looks like the euthanasia lovers can no longer operate with impunity in Texas.

The Texas medical community, worried about growing opposition to the law that allows hospitals to stop life-sustaining treatment in medically futile cases, is now embracing major compromise in the hope of salvaging it.

~Snip~

The compromise bill, sponsored by Rep. Dianne Delisi, chairman of the public health committee where the issue will be debated today, would extend to seven days the notification a family receives prior to the ethics committee; and to 21 days the time a patient's family has to look for a transfer.

The bill would also preclude hospitals from invoking the law in the case of patients whose only life-sustaining treatment is artificial hydration and nutrition. The 1999 law is silent on such cases, which would include patients like Terri Schiavo, the brain-damaged Florida woman whose end-of-life ordeal galvanized the nation in 2005.

~Snip~

Delisi's bill is endorsed by The Texas Catholic Conference, the association of the state's 15 Roman Catholic dioceses, and Texas Alliance for Life, another right-to-life group. The Hughes-Deuell bill is endorsed by Not Dead Yet, a disability rights group, and Texas ACLU in addition to Texas Right to Life.

"I think things are going in the right direction, but there's still a huge chasm that needs to be bridged," said Elizabeth Graham, director of Texas Right to Life. "Rep. Delisi's bill still gives all the power to the hospitals."

Medical groups seek compromise on 'futile care' law

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[8mmMauser]

Just Wow!

Alan must have hit the right Keyes with this one, drawing the wrath of far left Media Mutters. These are just a couple of snippets. Read the whole thing.

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Summary: Appearing as a guest on KNUS' Backbone Radio to discuss embryonic stem cell research with conservative John Andrews, former Republican presidential candidate Alan Keyes issued several false and misleading statements, such as "there are no ... benefits" from the research. Keyes also smeared Michael Schiavo for "doing his wife [Terri] to death through the courts so he could be free of the burden of her life."

On the April 22 broadcast of KNUS 710 AM's Backbone Radio, former Republican presidential and U.S. Senate candidate Alan Keyes made several false assertions regarding embryonic stem cell research. Further, he smeared Michael Schiavo, husband of the late Terri Schiavo, as "a self-serving, self-interested husband" who purportedly "[did] his wife to death through the courts so that he could be free of the burden of her life once he had run through the money that he could derive from her condition." Keyes falsely asserted that "there are no ... benefits" from research on embryonic stem cells, and claimed that "anyone who has actually listened to the debate and cares about the facts would know that." Finally, Keyes misleadingly asserted, "There have been over 70 breakthroughs using adult stem cells."

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KEYES: Well, I think that we saw this especially a couple years ago -- we just passed the anniversary of, of -- of her death -- with Terri Schiavo. Where you had some of the organizations like National Organization of Women -- who always claim that they're against spousal abuse and want to protect the interests of women -- forgot all about that. As we watched a spectacle of a self-serving, self-interested husband doing his wife to death through the courts so that he could be free of the burden of her life once he had run through the money that he could derive from her condition. It was really quite sick and disgusting.

Keyes' attack on Michael Schiavo was similar to one that Rocky Mountain News media critic and Independence Institute research director Dave Kopel made in July 2006 when he called him a "scumbag."

On KNUS, Keyes made false and misleading statements about stem cell research, smeared Michael Schiavo

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>> This person was under the impression that Terri was on machines that helped her breathe and kept her heart beating. It was a shock for this person to learn that the "life-support" was merely a feeding tube. The person was very upset and saying, "But the news said..."

Which is why the idiotic polls always "favored" killing Terri. All except for one that actually stated her condition accurately. That one was six-to-one in her favor.

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KNUS is “sunk” spelled backwards.

[8mmMauser]

We were pondering Rudy and Romney views on Terri recently...

Giganti said he attended the Conservative Political Action Conference in the nation's capital in early March and was disturbed at activists who were backing certain candidates out of a belief they could win, even if their stands weren't so desirable. "Fear is not the reason to support these [candidates]," Giganti said, likening some activists' choices to a conservative supporting the 1960s New York liberal Republican Nelson Rockefeller as an alternative to Ronald Reagan.

Giganti said that when Romney was asked about the case of Florida euthanasia victim Terri Schindler-Schiavo, Romney gave a "dismissive" reply and said the U.S. Congress shouldn't have intervened to try to save her. Bobby Schindler, brother of the disabled woman who was dehydrated to death in 2005, is backing Brownback for president, Giganti said.

Romney reaction on homosexuality remark raises questions about his bid for social conservatives

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[8mmMauser]

You SNUK up on me...

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>> [It] was the worst single piece of journalism I've ever seen in long form in a newspaper," Taylor said

The New York Times was on a mission. It wanted to give cheating husbands patriarchal power to treat their wives as chattel. The Times loves having guys being patriarchs and gals being objects without any rights. Especially if the reporter is a guy.

[8mmMauser]

New Crist Minstrals alert...

TALLAHASSEE — Gov. Charlie Crist officially named Dunnellon Republican Sen. Nancy Argenziano to the state's utility regulatory board today, capping an unusual promotion for one of the Legislature's most colorful members.

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She reflected her rural district's conservatism on issues like gun owners' rights but bucked Gov. Jeb Bush repeatedly on issues including education and the former governor's efforts to intervene in the death of Terri Schiavo.

Crist names Argenziano to PSC

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[T'wit]

I was over in the shooting gallery. I've read nearly all of it, which takes some doing. Let me cry a few salty tears here in the solitude of a Terri thread. It was hard saying "buh bye" to several stalwart Visitors, but I bore up remarkably well.

If you bite a fork, hard, you can save yourself the disgrace of bursting out laughing at the expulsions.

[T'wit]

I don't even have to look. I remember who she is -- one of the nine senators who smugly voted to kill Terri. I guess she was in favor of husbands having patriarchal rights over their chattel wives.

I remember who Charlie Crist is, too. He's the "Republican" all the WA's wanted as governor.

[8mmMauser]

Ping to a post from wagglebee, #97 on a thread by Jim Robinson, with credit to mkjessup, on mind-boggling comparison of Rudy and Ronald Reagan. Thanks, wagglebee...

Who dares compare Rudy Giuliani to Ronald Reagan?

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>> Romney gave a "dismissive" reply

His own child protection agency was "dismissive" of repeated findings that a little girl named Haleigh Poutre was being abused. Over and over, the social workers blamed Haleigh herselve for her bruises and injuries. Then it was too late. Haleigh was brought into the ER beaten into a coma. She had been burned with cigarettes, starved and pushed repeatedly down the stairs.

You can't "dismiss" that one, Mitt.