Posted on 02/02/2007 9:50:11 AM PST by ml/nj
Probably none.
Do ice flows ever start without melting ice?
Of course.
Google icebergs and hunt around. Icebergs are formed from glacier flows and other ice already on the ground that gets compressed and squeezed out by additional ice and snow accumulation. At first the ice may form a shelf and then eventually break under the force of its accumulating weight. Icebergs are not formed by rain, except rain that might freeze on contact with existing ground ice, and so become more ground ice. Ice floating to lower latitude is NOT an indication of warming. Duh!
ML/NJ
We just need to put the wackos on those ice flows and let them float till global warming works its magic
You're wrong. See my post at #49 and Google icebergs, as I suggest there.
ML/NJ
They also pounce on seals that try crawl up on the ice to sun themselves. Sometimes you can spot a bear floating around in open sea on his back eating a seal, miles from any ice, using his belly as a table. Those bears are just as comfortable in the water as they are on land. They can take a nap while floating around too.
The BS about them 'getting tired from swimming too far' is pure propaganda used to generate donations from people in California that don't know any better.
because it wouldn't dovetail with the plan to bring one world government. I finally get it. Can't you see we no longer will be able to have different nation states with planet killers like Global Warming and Nuke Proliferation? Too risky for the whole politic. Therefore we need to get people used to one world government. Global warming can't be solved without it. Nuke prolif can't be solved without it. Right?
/semi-sarc
"Never mind the fact that polar bears are commonly spotted in the open ocean hundreds of miles from dry land."
I thought they were a nuisance becuase they would overrun towns looking for food to eat.
Is there an impact? yes.
Might there be something _else_ going on that also causes an impact? yes.
Might natural causes be responsible for most of the warming - a mere degree or two per century - being observed? yes.
The GW crowd says nothing about natural causes, like the sun's increased output (which is also warming other _planets_). Long-term cyclical data is largely ignored. A slight change is observed, and somehow it's suddenly all our fault and doomsday is coming.
Go back to the lead story, particularly the associated photo. The implication is "global warming is causing huge increases in temperature". No, GW accounts for a degree or two over a _century_ - nowhere near enough to account for the massive changes implied or decried by the hysterical GW evangelicals. Such changes have happened in both directions long before man showed up, much less started dumping stuff in the air.
Ironically, pollution might actually be helping by reflecting solar heat before hitting ground. Ya ever think that maybe man's activities may be _slowing_ natural warming?
Does the photographer explain what geographic features are immediately to the right of the ice the bears are frollicking on?
Worth repeating.
CO2 is _plant_food_.
And plants don't grow well when covered with ice.
The term "greenhouse gasses" uses the word "greenhouse" - a hot, humid place where flora (and, where permitted & by extention, fauna) flourish.
I don't see where TEOTWAWKI fits into this GW "problem".
Good question. Cropping is suspicious.
I knew someone who lived thru Mao's "forced marches". Not pleasant. She's glad to be in the USA.
That is funny!
By looking at the data. The warmest decade this century occured during the 1930's, after that, and with a 24% increase of CO2 over the industrial boom era, temperatures actually cooled. The 20th century ended cooler than it started, the arctic ice fields show a net GAIN in total area, as to teh glaciers in greenland, and the ice cap at the south pole. ALL show a net GAIN in mass/ area.
Because someone might point out that the change in C02 follows the change in temperature, it doesn't precede it.
Bull, they look like they've just found a high point, in a flat land/seascape, which affords them a good view.
Polar bears are among the strongest swimmers of all land animals, and swim huge distances, in freezing water, frequently.
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