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To: rwfromkansas
People, you are in error worshipping this woman.

Honoring and/or appreciating is not the same thing as worshipping.

She was not a conservative.

Certainly not in the social(ist) conservative meaning of the word.

Ayn Rand was not even close to believing what Jefferson and our founding fathers believed.

Can you be more specific and provide some references, or are you just being inflammatory? That whole individual liberty theme which pervades the works of both seems to falsify your claim, but I'm open to correction.

She had ZERO concept of the importance of society.

Hold that thought for a sec...

To Rand, it is everybody for themselves. Me, me, me.

...okay, this is starting to sound familiar...

It is the liberals who always go on about what they want, not conservatives.

No, liberals go on about "the importance of society" and how, with conservatives, "it is everybody for themselves. Me, me, me.". THAT'S what liberals sound like.

Happy Birthday, Ms. Rand.

59 posted on 02/08/2007 8:55:24 AM PST by LibertarianSchmoe ("...yeah, but, that's different!" - mating call of the North American Ten-Toed Hypocrite)
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To: LibertarianSchmoe

What a moronic post.

If you read the founding fathers, you would realize how important they considered society in our country, that everybody for themselves is not what they envisioned for America.

Did they want a nanny state? No.

But, there is a difference between that....which Rand did show to be in error, a good thing....and no social cohesion, which is the opposite extreme that Rand proposes.

Conservatism is not on either extreme, but in the middle.


60 posted on 02/08/2007 10:59:24 AM PST by rwfromkansas (http://xanga.com/rwfromkansas)
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To: LibertarianSchmoe

Rand had the conception of a society based on shared, rational individualist values and mutual consent. The "rational" is crucial since the more extremely irrational individuals are -- Islamo-fascists, human-hating envornomentalists, envy-driven communists -- the more apt they'll be to not care whether they take your freedom or your money.

In a culture based on rational, principled individualism, each of us would freely pursue our own rational values—whether nurturing a child to maturity or a business to profitability; whether writing a poem or a business plan; whether designing a building or laying its bricks.

It’s no paradox that such individualism would produce a benevolent society in which we each would be enriched, entertained, educated, enlightened, and inspired by the achievements of others.

The political and economic system that embodies these principles is called capitalism. It should be defended as a moral ideal, and its principles must be rooted in the minds, hearts and character of citizens and in the institutions of society.


61 posted on 02/08/2007 2:12:40 PM PST by Ed Hudgins (Rand fan)
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