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A Cut-and-Paste Ruling: Judging Intelligent Design (Judge in Dover case busted)
Breakpoint with Chuck Colson ^ | 2/2/2007 | Chuck Colson

Posted on 02/02/2007 8:12:16 PM PST by Mr. Silverback

Judge John Jones once told the Philadelphia Inquirer that he became a judge hoping that someday he would have a chance “to rule in matters of great importance.”

Well, last year he got his chance. He ruled on Kitzmiller v. Dover, holding that you could not teach intelligent design in public schools. But given what’s leaked out about his decision, Judge Jones is not likely to be remembered as “an outstanding thinker,” as Time magazine called him. Instead, we might remember him as the judge who let a litigant write his opinion.

Maybe I am an idealist, but going back to law school, I have always respected judges. I believe they take seriously their oath to uphold the laws and the Constitution and to rule impartially. Sad to say, this judge apparently did not.

Maybe I should not have been surprised because, two months before the case was heard, the judge said in a newspaper interview that he was going to go see Inherit the Wind, the old film about the Scopes trial, hopelessly biased toward the evolutionists’ view. He said he wanted to do it to get a context for hearing the Dover case. I wrote him and explained that it is historically inaccurate; he never replied.

Now it turns out that even as the media was praising Judge Jones for his brilliant insights, the Discovery Institute found that ACLU attorneys had actually written key sections of the ruling. In the section on intelligent design, more than 90 percent “was taken virtually verbatim from the ACLU’s proposed ‘Findings of Fact and Conclusions of Law’,” so says the Discovery Institute.

Thus, as the Discovery Institute notes, the central part of the ruling reflects no original, deliberative activity or independent examination of the record on the judge’s part.

And that’s not all. The problem when you let somebody else write your decision is that they may make a mistake. And you, then, look silly.

For example, Jones misrepresented biochemist Michael Behe; he claimed that Behe said that articles purporting to explain the evolution of the immune system were not good enough. But what Behe actually said was: “It’s not that they aren’t good enough. It’s simply that they are addressed to a different subject.” This came right out of the ACLU’s writings.

Jones also claimed that intelligent design “is not supported by any peer-reviewed . . . publications.” Again, wrong and, again, straight from the ACLU’s brief.

This, it turns out, is not even the first time or maybe the worst of Judge Jones passing off other people’s words as his own. In a commencement address, he “employed direct quotations from the book The Founding Fathers and the Place of Religion in America,” according to World magazine, “without providing citation or indication that he was quoting.”

As World magazine noted, none of what Judge Jones did in the Dover decision amounts to a violation of judicial ethics. But other judges will hardly be impressed, which is a good thing since the press are saying this is a precedent for future cases.

The Old Testament warns judges: “You shall not pervert justice; you shall not show partiality.” Cutting and pasting from one side’s brief does not say much for impartiality—something for you to point out next time someone throws the Dover decision in your face.


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1 posted on 02/02/2007 8:12:20 PM PST by Mr. Silverback
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2 posted on 02/02/2007 8:13:44 PM PST by Mr. Silverback ("Safe sex? Not until they develop a condom for the heart."--Freeper All the Best)
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To: Mr. Silverback

Wrong, Chuck. It is common for judges to use parts of the arguments of the successful litigants in his rulings. After all, it's their arugments he has accepted as having the most weight.

But don't let that stop you from inflaming the uninformed. William Jennings Bryan would be proud.


3 posted on 02/02/2007 8:16:54 PM PST by gcruse (http://garycruse.blogspot.com/)
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To: Mr. Silverback
As World magazine noted, none of what Judge Jones did in the Dover decision amounts to a violation of judicial ethics. But other judges will hardly be impressed, which is a good thing since the press are saying this is a precedent for future cases.

It is standard practice to invite both sides to submit proposed findings.

The judge traditionally chooses parts from each that he/she agrees with.

Besides, this is old news. The opinion was issued well over a year ago, and the Discovery Institute did its big push on the "ACLU wrote the decision" a month or two ago. There were even FR threads back then. Colson is behind the times.

And what the press is/are saying or is/are not saying is not likely to have any effect on judges.

4 posted on 02/02/2007 8:20:50 PM PST by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Mr. Silverback

A nominee for the Biden Award!


5 posted on 02/02/2007 8:24:21 PM PST by NonValueAdded (Pelosi, the call was for Comity, not Comedy. But thanks for the laughs. StarKisses, NVA.)
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To: Coyoteman; gcruse

Thanks, you beat me to it, and said it much better than I could have.

PLUS, you got it in early, so guys like me, who don't know some of this stuff can learn the whole truth before we get sucked in.


6 posted on 02/02/2007 8:25:27 PM PST by Balding_Eagle (If America falls, darkness will cover the face of the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: Mr. Silverback
How many judges watch movies, and how many moviemakers know it?

7 posted on 02/02/2007 8:39:16 PM PST by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: blue-duncan; jude24; Kolokotronis; P-Marlowe; gcruse

Please comment on post #3. Thanks.


8 posted on 02/02/2007 8:40:07 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and proud of it! Supporting our troops means praying for them to WIN!)
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To: gcruse
Ninety percent of their ruling? Without attribution? Despite errors he should have caught if he was paying attention to the actual evidence in the case? These are examples of just another ho-hum day in American jurisprudence?

Puhleeze. There's no way even you believe that. Or it could simply be one of those ideas so dumb only an intellectual could believe it.

9 posted on 02/02/2007 8:41:09 PM PST by Mr. Silverback ("Safe sex? Not until they develop a condom for the heart."--Freeper All the Best)
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To: Coyoteman
Well, there's certainly more evidence that this guy is a plagiarist who let a litigant run his court than there is for your bizarre assertions that Creationist websites constitute a new Mein Kampf...but I digress.

It's common for judges to borrow ninety percent of their ruling? Without attribution? Despite errors he should have caught if he was paying attention to the actual evidence in the case? These are examples of just another ho-hum day in American jurisprudence?

And it doesn't matter to you that parts of his findings are contrary to the facts presented at trial? Puhleeze. There's no way even you believe that. Or it could simply be one of those ideas so dumb only an intellectual could believe it.

10 posted on 02/02/2007 8:45:52 PM PST by Mr. Silverback ("Safe sex? Not until they develop a condom for the heart."--Freeper All the Best)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Ping!


11 posted on 02/02/2007 8:49:02 PM PST by Mr. Silverback ("Safe sex? Not until they develop a condom for the heart."--Freeper All the Best)
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To: Mr. Silverback

Good lord, man, you're even plagiarizing yourself by cutting and pasting from your reply to #3 into your reply to #4. And you're not even a judge! LOL


12 posted on 02/02/2007 8:49:03 PM PST by gcruse (http://garycruse.blogspot.com/)
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To: Mr. Silverback
Well, last year he got his chance. He ruled on Kitzmiller v. Dover, holding that you could not teach intelligent design in public schools. But given what’s leaked out about his decision, Judge Jones is not likely to be remembered as “an outstanding thinker,” as Time magazine called him. Instead, we might remember him as the judge who let a litigant write his opinion....

Sounds like a polite way to say the guy took bribes...

13 posted on 02/02/2007 8:49:17 PM PST by rickdylan
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To: Mr. Silverback
In re Las Colinas, Inc., 426 F.2d 1005, 1008. (1st Cir. 1970) (“The practice of inviting counsel to submit proposed findings of fact and conclusions of law is well established as a valuable aid to decision making.”) As the Supreme Court put it in a slightly different context,

There was a trial, and after oral argument the judge announced from the bench that judgment would be for appellees and that he would not write an opinion. He told counsel for appellees, ‘Prepare the findings and conclusions and judgment.’ They obeyed, submitting 130 findings of fact and one conclusion of law, all of which, we are advised, the District Court adopted verbatim. Those findings, though not the product of the workings of the district judge’s mind, are formally his; they are not to be rejected out-of-hand, and they will stand if supported by evidence.


14 posted on 02/02/2007 8:53:04 PM PST by gcruse (http://garycruse.blogspot.com/)
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To: Balding_Eagle

So, you really think that it's the truth that judges commonly borrow 90% of their ruling without attribution? Do you really think, like gcruse and Coyoteman, that when a judge issues a ruling that contradicts the evidence presented at trial it's no big deal?


15 posted on 02/02/2007 8:53:15 PM PST by Mr. Silverback ("Safe sex? Not until they develop a condom for the heart."--Freeper All the Best)
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To: gcruse

Ah, but I gave myself proper attribution!


16 posted on 02/02/2007 8:56:36 PM PST by Mr. Silverback ("Safe sex? Not until they develop a condom for the heart."--Freeper All the Best)
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To: Mr. Silverback
your bizarre assertions that Creationist websites constitute a new Mein Kampf...

Are you intellectually impaired? I did not see anywhere anyone said that.

17 posted on 02/02/2007 8:58:48 PM PST by org.whodat (Never let the facts get in the way of a good assumption.)
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To: William Terrell

Hmmmm...never thought of it that way.


18 posted on 02/02/2007 8:59:37 PM PST by Mr. Silverback ("Safe sex? Not until they develop a condom for the heart."--Freeper All the Best)
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To: Mr. Silverback
Jones also claimed that intelligent design “is not supported by any peer-reviewed . . . publications.”


The evidence presented in this case demonstrates that ID is not supported by any peer-reviewed research, data or publications.

P87, Kitzmiller v. Dover Memorandum Opinion

Perhaps Chuck could name the peer reviewed publications supporting ID submitted as evidence during the Dover Trial.


Q. Now you have never argued for intelligent design in a peer reviewed scientific journal, correct?

A. No, I argued for it in my book.

Q. Not in a peer reviewed scientific journal?

A. That's correct.

Q. And, in fact, there are no peer reviewed articles by anyone advocating for intelligent design supported by pertinent experiments or calculations which provide detailed rigorous accounts of how intelligent design of any biological system occurred, is that correct?

A. That is correct, yes.


Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District Trial transcript: Day 12 (October 19), AM Session, Part 1
Cross examination of Michael Behe

Perhaps not.

19 posted on 02/02/2007 9:04:15 PM PST by Hoplite
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To: org.whodat
Are you intellectually impaired? I did not see anywhere anyone said that.

Not in this thread, but he did do so exactly one month ago in this thread. Note especially posts 9, 16 and 20.

20 posted on 02/02/2007 9:12:04 PM PST by Mr. Silverback ("Safe sex? Not until they develop a condom for the heart."--Freeper All the Best)
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