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Long Beach teens get probation in hate-crime case
Copley News Service ^ | 2/3/2007 | Matt Krasnowski

Posted on 02/03/2007 6:53:10 AM PST by Menehune56

LONG BEACH – Angering one victim's family, a judge yesterday sentenced four black youths to probation with 60 days of home detention in the racially motivated Halloween beatings of three white women.

The sentences by Juvenile Court Judge Gibson Lee touched off another series of bitter words in a case that seems to spark outrage at every step. For the past few months, it has tested the harmony of this coastal city of 475,000, which touts its diversity.

“The juvenile system is a joke,” said Barbara Schneider, as her 19-year-old daughter, Laura, sobbed on her shoulder. Her comments outside court came after Lee passed sentence on the only male defendant of the nine youths convicted last week in the attack. The defendant is 18, but was 17 on Halloween. Prosecutors contended that he was the most culpable of all the convicted defendants.

“If these nine were tried in adult court, which some of them should have been, they would have gotten 13 years for what they did,” Barbara Schneider said.

Lee said in court that he appreciated the severity of the attack – one victim, 21-year-old Loren Hyman, suffered multiple fractures of her nose and around her eye – but he reminded those in attendance that it was a juvenile court. He noted that juvenile court judges “must pick the least restrictive disposition that can lead to the rehabilitation of the minor.”

He ordered the defendants – the 18-year-old man, his twin sister, their 16-year-old sister and another 16-year-old girl – to perform 250 hours of community service and to undergo anger-management counseling. They had been in custody since Halloween.

A defense lawyer said the probation could last until the defendants are 21, but could end earlier. Punishment could have ranged up to confinement in a California Youth Authority lockup until age 25.

Twelve youths were charged in the attack on Laura Schneider, 19-year-old Michelle Smith and Hyman, who yesterday underwent surgery related to the beating.

Last week, Lee convicted nine defendants, ages 13 to 18, on assault charges and found a hate-crime allegation true against eight. He also acquitted a 12-year-old defendant. Two boys are awaiting a separate trial stemming from the attack. The five remaining convicted defendants will be sentenced next week.

The charges stem from an incident on a street in Long Beach's well-to-do Bixby Knolls neighborhood, known for its elaborate Halloween displays.

The three women said they were out in the neighborhood when a group of about 40 black teenagers began taunting them and throwing lemons and small pumpkins at them.

Prosecutors alleged that someone yelled, “I hate (expletive) white people!” Members of the group then began to beat the women. Schneider suffered a concussion.

Yesterday, the victims' families claimed that the judge's sentences were political. But the defendants' families were pleased with Lee's actions, hugging outside court.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: blackonwhitecrime; civilrights; crime; criminaljustice; doublestandard; hatecrime; hatecrimes; humanrights; longbeach; pc
Antother criminal justice outrage from the Golden State
1 posted on 02/03/2007 6:53:12 AM PST by Menehune56
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To: Menehune56

They should have been shot.


2 posted on 02/03/2007 6:55:23 AM PST by pissant
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To: Menehune56
Now had this been reversed, white people beating up on black people, the whites would have gone to jail for a very, very long time.

I am so sick of the double standards that prevail in out justice (what a joke) system.

3 posted on 02/03/2007 6:56:07 AM PST by CrawDaddyCA (Paul/Tancredo 2008)
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To: Menehune56

Affirmative action at it's finest. Had the roles been reversed the brutha's would be back out burning down their homes.


4 posted on 02/03/2007 7:00:17 AM PST by stm (Believe 1% of what you hear in the drive-by media and take half of that with a grain of salt)
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To: Menehune56
You DON'T wanna know what would happen if these were my daughter and these maggots walked.

However, feel free to use your imagination :-)

5 posted on 02/03/2007 7:00:18 AM PST by Condor51 (Where's Attila The Hun when you need him? [sit down Rudy. You &%$% undecided 'republican'])
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To: Menehune56

"He noted that juvenile court judges “must pick the least restrictive disposition that can lead to the rehabilitation of the minor.”

Which is one of the problems with the juvenile justice system. If you're sixteen or under, you can get away with murder.


6 posted on 02/03/2007 7:02:27 AM PST by popdonnelly (Our first obligation is to keep the power of the Presidency out of the hands of the Clintons.)
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To: Menehune56

Sounds like France. All those yutes and un-covered meat.


7 posted on 02/03/2007 7:04:48 AM PST by neodad (USS Vincennes (CG-49) Freedom's Fortress)
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To: Menehune56
Well, it is Black History Month. /s

As much as people were " shocked " by the Rodney King beating video, the video of truck driver Reginald Denny's beating has served the same purpose of jihadist beheading videos, extolling their exploits for similarly minded folks to emulate.

Kick and beat whitey and get away with it.

Read about the outcome of the trail at the link.

8 posted on 02/03/2007 7:07:51 AM PST by csvset
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To: csvset

Trial, not trail.


9 posted on 02/03/2007 7:09:38 AM PST by csvset
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To: Menehune56
Wonder what the average punishment is for white on black crime in Cali.

Should be used as a benchmark in dishing out sentences of this nature.
10 posted on 02/03/2007 7:10:24 AM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: Menehune56

Sounds like the 9th Circus Court style of punishment.....sounds like the judge was a Clinton appointee...

Meadow Muffin


11 posted on 02/03/2007 7:11:44 AM PST by rwgal
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To: csvset
***Trial, not trail.***

Not to worry.

On a thread like this, spelling and grammar is 'optional' -- due to HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE making your head explode.

I did the same thing ;-)

12 posted on 02/03/2007 7:15:02 AM PST by Condor51 (Where's Attila The Hun when you need him? [sit down Rudy. You &%$% undecided 'republican'])
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To: CrawDaddyCA

I couldn't agree more. This has "double standards" written all over it. Doubtless the sentences would've been much worse if the races of the perps and victims were reversed, and the whole idea of a "hate crime" is that the perps are supposed to face harsher penalties than they otherwise would, yet this judge argues for giving the LEAST RESTRICTIVE penalty.

I disgree with the whole idea of hate crimes to begin with, but if this Judge dares to invoke the concept, then he needs to apply it without (reverse) prejudice!


13 posted on 02/03/2007 7:15:05 AM PST by BMIC
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Take the parents to civil court.


14 posted on 02/03/2007 7:16:00 AM PST by falcon1966
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To: Menehune56

So when is the civil rigths case to correct this travesty of judgement as has been the case in violent criminal cases "gone wrong"?

Or don't the civil rights of white women count? Where is NOW?


15 posted on 02/03/2007 7:18:07 AM PST by weegee (No third term. Hillary Clinton's 2008 election run presents a Constitutional Crisis.)
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To: Menehune56
Lee said in court that he appreciated the severity of the attack – one victim, 21-year-old Loren Hyman, suffered multiple fractures of her nose and around her eye...

Well, ain't that just ducky? He "appreciated the severity of the attack"? Cheeze louise!

FYI: You know what those multiple fractures of her nose and around her eye were? They were the result of Loren being beaten on the side of her face with a skateboard! Her eye socket, her cheek bone and jaw were smashed. The last I read the MDs had managed to more or less keep everything in place but Loren had to sleep upright least her eyeball fall out!

But then, what am I grousing about. Those yuts did get 260 hours community service.

16 posted on 02/03/2007 7:19:10 AM PST by yankeedame ("Oh, I can take it but I'd much rather dish it out.")
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To: CrawDaddyCA
I am so sick of the double standards

The courts have such very low expectations of black youths.

17 posted on 02/03/2007 7:19:16 AM PST by ladyjane
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To: popdonnelly
If you're sixteen or under, you can get away with murder. Or rather eighteen and under.
18 posted on 02/03/2007 7:19:53 AM PST by Sarcastic1 (" If wishes were horses, we'd all be eatin' steak." Jayne Cobb)
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To: rwgal

The judge in question. I haven't had any luck finding out his history.

19 posted on 02/03/2007 7:20:39 AM PST by csvset
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To: Condor51
On a thread like this, spelling and grammar is 'optional' -- due to HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE making your head explode.

I did the same thing ;-)

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LOL! Thank goodness for duct tape!

20 posted on 02/03/2007 7:20:47 AM PST by yankeedame ("Oh, I can take it but I'd much rather dish it out.")
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To: falcon1966
Take the parents to civil court.

And sue them for what? Their daily ration of salty snack treats?

Owl_Eagle

If what I just wrote made you sad or angry,
it was probably just a joke.

21 posted on 02/03/2007 7:21:24 AM PST by Owl_Eagle (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: ladyjane

I guess the federal government won't step in and seek further punishment, like they did after the King verdict. Maybe a few thousand whites ought to go out on a rioting rampage. Ha ha.


22 posted on 02/03/2007 7:23:51 AM PST by TNCMAXQ
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To: Menehune56
“If these nine were tried in adult court, which some of them should have been, they would have gotten 13 years for what they did,” Barbara Schneider said.

Don't get mad, Barbara, get even. Sue the perps and anyone standing close by for everything they have. Don't worry about the money, just use the court system that screwed you to screw your enemies even harder.

23 posted on 02/03/2007 7:24:00 AM PST by randog (What the...?!)
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To: csvset

There was another clip that also aired during the LA riots. It showed a hispanic man, beaten, with his pants pulled down, and some black teens (or immature adults) spray painting his crotch with black spray paint and laughing.

That ranks up there EASILY with what happened at Abu Ghraib but it was never presented that way.

There are major race problems in LA and the "civic leaders" enable them.

Watch the press conference at the LA comedy club after the Michael Richards' incident. Some black citizens blame the Jews for the heavy use of the n-word in entertainment today.


24 posted on 02/03/2007 7:24:13 AM PST by weegee (No third term. Hillary Clinton's 2008 election run presents a Constitutional Crisis.)
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To: TNCMAXQ

Rioting rampage? Good idea. I need a new HD television!


25 posted on 02/03/2007 7:28:23 AM PST by ladyjane
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To: weegee

"There are major race problems in LA and the "civic leaders" enable them."

Then the "civic leaders" should be blamed for the consequences. If they are going to condone this type of behavior, or look the other way, then they are responsible for the behavior.


26 posted on 02/03/2007 7:28:55 AM PST by popdonnelly (Our first obligation is to keep the power of the Presidency out of the hands of the Clintons.)
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To: Menehune56

If the races had been reversed, and whites given such lenient treatment, there would have been riots


27 posted on 02/03/2007 7:30:49 AM PST by SauronOfMordor (Never try to teach a pig to sing -- it wastes your time and it annoys the pig)
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To: yankeedame
Gotta keep it real!


28 posted on 02/03/2007 7:34:11 AM PST by mcg2000 (New Orleans: The city that declared Jihad on The Red Cross.)
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To: popdonnelly
It isn't just in LA - Portland, Oregon has in the past few weeks seen a rash of attacks on white women by roving groups of black teens.

The media is obviously trying to play down the racial angle, but last night on KATU-TV, a woman who had been attacked flat out said that they were yelling that they were beating her up because she's white.

29 posted on 02/03/2007 7:36:48 AM PST by Inspectorette
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To: Menehune56

That is a tougher sentence than I expected these little angels (sarcasm) to get.

If it had been four white guys beating the hell out of three black women, they would never see the outside of a prison for the rest of their lives.

This sentence in reality declares open season on any white teen,anywhere, at anytime that a melanin rich mob decides to punish them for being melanin impaired.


30 posted on 02/03/2007 7:39:52 AM PST by F.J. Mitchell (Who ever wins, conservatives lose! If our candidate is not Duncan Hunter.)
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To: csvset

He bears a strong family resemblance to Col Blake, on MASH.


31 posted on 02/03/2007 7:44:53 AM PST by F.J. Mitchell (Who ever wins, conservatives lose! If our candidate is not Duncan Hunter.)
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To: Inspectorette
In Norfolk, VA., a white man waiting for the bus was attacked by a gang of " teens ". The newsreader reported that similar attacks had recently taken place.

At no time in the report was the description of the teens mentioned. If a gang of white teens had beaten a black man, it certainly would have been mentioned.

32 posted on 02/03/2007 8:06:24 AM PST by csvset
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To: falcon1966

I imagine there is quite a doozy of a civil suit in the works about now.


33 posted on 02/03/2007 8:12:21 AM PST by Enterprise (Drop pork bombs on the Islamofascist wankers. Praise the Lord and pass the hammunition.)
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To: csvset

Absolutely - same up here. If the attackers are white, it's always mentioned in the description.


34 posted on 02/03/2007 8:19:41 AM PST by Inspectorette
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To: Menehune56


If the perps had been white, it would have been for the rest of their lives.

Good to know justice is Politically Correct....


35 posted on 02/03/2007 8:35:57 AM PST by Tzimisce (How Would Mohammed Vote? Hillary for President! www.dndorks.com)
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To: Menehune56

That is just DISGUSTING!!!


36 posted on 02/03/2007 8:54:33 AM PST by USArmySpouse
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To: Menehune56

Clearly, the sentence is a joke.


37 posted on 02/03/2007 9:26:51 AM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: falcon1966
Take the parents to civil court.

And take their welfare checks away?

38 posted on 02/03/2007 9:53:39 AM PST by CrawDaddyCA (Paul/Tancredo 2008)
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To: Menehune56

"The three women said they were out in the neighborhood when a group of about 40 black teenagers"

The victims are portrayed as otherwise responsible adults in this quote while the assailants are all merely children, leading the reader to conclude had the adult women interlopers stayed out of the danger zone they would have been injury-free -- so they only have themselves to blame?


39 posted on 02/03/2007 2:16:38 PM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Old Professer

The victims were college-age, so while technically adult, they really are still girls, if you will. This happened a few blocks from my home. The neighborhood is mixed, mostly white. Until Halloween we actually thought this was a great neighborhood. I know the family that made the "Haunted House" near where this all took place. They happen to be a nice white family. The girls were not in any danger zone.


40 posted on 02/03/2007 2:25:15 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: Menehune56
“I hate (expletive) white people!”

No hate crime there...if you're a liberal. It's just "frustration" at injustice.

41 posted on 02/03/2007 2:49:24 PM PST by Doctor Raoul ("BOAT PEOPLE" - The result of the last time the Democrats stabbed our allies in the back.)
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To: pissant

What was this mob of hoodlums doing in a well-to-do neighborhood anyway?

Is this a white neighborhood? If it is, well I think the citizens of that neighborhood should be organizing themselves for the next mob that decides to hang out in their neighborhood.


42 posted on 02/03/2007 3:00:15 PM PST by Muzzle_em (A proud warrior of the Pajamahadeen)
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To: pissant

What was this mob of hoodlums doing in a well-to-do neighborhood anyway?

Is this a white neighborhood? If it is, well I think the citizens of that neighborhood should be organizing themselves for the next mob that decides to hang out in their neighborhood.


43 posted on 02/03/2007 3:00:25 PM PST by Muzzle_em (A proud warrior of the Pajamahadeen)
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To: CrawDaddyCA

Just look at the HELL Michael Richards encountered for saying a few hateful things to some black folks (not even laying a hand on them)!

Whatever happened with that incident?
Haven't seen it in the media lately.


44 posted on 02/03/2007 3:01:43 PM PST by Muzzle_em (A proud warrior of the Pajamahadeen)
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To: Menehune56

Sadly, this ruling will only encourage white supremacists to come out and start attacking blacks now. These kids should have gotten lengthy prison terms.


45 posted on 02/03/2007 3:04:33 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Forgot your tagline? Click here to have it resent!)
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To: CrawDaddyCA
I am so sick of the double standards that prevail in out justice (what a joke) system.

I agree. It is verdicts like this that are slowly fanning the flames of a full blown race war.

46 posted on 02/03/2007 3:25:15 PM PST by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: falcon1966

Good idea!


47 posted on 02/03/2007 6:48:32 PM PST by BenLurkin
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

"Sadly, this ruling will only encourage..."

JUSTICE to grind it wheels ever so painfully and ever so fine.

We have our lessons to endure. All of us.

Let us all be wise and as brave as we can muster.


48 posted on 02/03/2007 8:57:13 PM PST by CBart95
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