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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA; DumpsterDiver

If the alarmists were as candid about uncertainties, I might give their views some credence.
Nah, they'd still be wearing tin foil hats.

Of course such usage as indicated in that uncertainty guidence paper just begs the question of how do they go about assessing the uncertainty to assign such phraseology.

Mix UN/IPCC concensus politics with science the animal you get is anything but science.

By the way the genesis of the uncertainty guidence paper you have linked to comes from the concepts expressed in this paper authored by Steven Schneider, (one of the historical heavy lifters in the anthropogenic global warming crew):

http://stephenschneider.stanford.edu/Publications/PDF_Papers/UncertaintiesGuidanceFinal2.pdf

"A final note before turning to the specific recommendations themselves-the paper assumes that for most instances in the TAR, a "Bayesian" or "subjective" characterization of probability will be the most appropriate (see, e.g., Edwards, 1992, for a philosophical basis for Baysian methods; for applications of Bayesian methods, see e.g., Anderson, 1998; Howard et al., 1972). The Bayesian paradigm is a formal and rigorous language to communicate uncertainty. In it, a "prior" belief about a probability distribution (typically based on existing evidence) can be updated by new evidence, which causes a revision of the prior, producing a so-called "posterior" probability. Applying the paradigm in the assessment process involves combining individual authors' (and reviewers') Bayesian assessments of probability distributions and would lead to the following interpretation of probability statements: the probability of an event is the degree of belief that exists among lead authors and reviewers that the event will occur, given the observations, modeling results, and theory currently available. When complex systems are the topic, both prior and updated probability distributions usually contain a high degree of (informed) subjectivity. Thus in the TAR, we expect Bayesian approaches to be what is most often meant when probabilities are attached to outcomes with an inherent component of subjectivity or to an assessment of the state of the science from which confidence characterisations are offered."

And the intent of the use of such terms:

"It is certainly true that "science" itself strives for objective empirical information to test theory and models. But at the same time "science for policy" must be recognized as a different enterprise than "science" itself, since science for policy (e.g., Ravetz, 1986) involves being responsive to policymakers' needs for expert judgment at a particular time, given the information currently available, even if those judgments involve a considerable degree of subjectivity. "

 

The same Steven Schneider responsible for this quote:

"On the one hand, as scientists we are ethically bound to the scientific method, in effect promising to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but - which means that we must include all the doubts, the caveats, the ifs, ands, and buts. On the other hand, we are not just scientists but human beings as well. And like most people we'd like to see the world a better place, which in this context translates into our working to reduce the risk of potentially disastrous climatic change. To do that we need to get some broadbased support, to capture the public's imagination. That, of course, entails getting loads of media coverage. So we have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little mention of any doubts we might have. This 'double ethical bind' we frequently find ourselves in cannot be solved by any formula. Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest. I hope that means being both."
(Steven Schneider, Quoted in Discover, pp. 45-48, Oct. 1989; and (American Physical Society, APS News August/September 1996).


18 posted on 02/03/2007 6:51:13 PM PST by ancient_geezer (Don't reform it, Replace it.)
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To: ancient_geezer

Gobal Warming is POLITICAL SCIENCE, not real science...

As I posted on an earlier thread today, the "Great Global Warming Scare" is nothing but a vehicle to advance World Socialism.

"Men in general make judgments more by appearances than by reality, for sight alone belongs to everyone, but understanding to a few."-Niccolo Machiavelli 1509

"Tell them what they want to hear," Lenin's admonishment to Dzierzhinski.

"We Must Embrace Environmentalism, For Socialism To Survive" Hans-Jochen Vogel, Chairman of the West German Social Democratic Party-1989

The International leftists embraced Environmentalism as thier religion after they realized the Soviet Union was dead....

Beginning in the mid 80's, they openly proclaimed that it would be the vehicle to International Socialism...


19 posted on 02/03/2007 6:57:23 PM PST by tcrlaf (VOTE DEM! You'll Look GREAT In A Burqa!)
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To: ancient_geezer
Good find.

This is what I meant by using the "scientific consensus" documents as ammo. The vast majority of the "true believers" have never actually read what their scientists are saying.
23 posted on 02/03/2007 7:32:08 PM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: ancient_geezer

"This 'double ethical bind' we frequently find ourselves in cannot be solved by any formula. Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest. I hope that means being both."

How to lie just enough?


24 posted on 02/03/2007 7:34:01 PM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: ancient_geezer

You might find this information useful in understanding how consensus is reached:

http://www.learn-usa.com/transformation_process/~consensus.htm


33 posted on 02/04/2007 6:17:55 AM PST by DugwayDuke (A patriot will cast their vote in the manner most likely to deny power to democrats.)
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To: ancient_geezer
The following statement from Steven Schneider makes me think that ol' Steve will say whatever it takes to make sure his paychecks keep coming in on a regular basis.
"It is certainly true that "science" itself strives for objective empirical information to test theory and models. But at the same time "science for policy" must be recognized as a different enterprise than "science" itself, since science for policy (e.g., Ravetz, 1986) involves being responsive to policymakers' needs for expert judgment at a particular time, given the information currently available, even if those judgments involve a considerable degree of subjectivity. "

36 posted on 02/04/2007 8:12:06 AM PST by DumpsterDiver
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