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Vanity: And now for the rest of the question: Has conservatism been defeated in America?
Posted on 02/04/2007 3:01:09 PM PST by Jim Robinson
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To: Texas_shutterbug
you'd rather lose?
well, you had best plan on making that comeback (regarding Roe) - sometime around 2040 then. Because when you look at the makeup of the court, who is retiring, who is getting old, that's the next chance you'll get to rebuild.
To: Jim Robinson
The election of 2004 was more indicative of where the American electorate actually is. The slight shift to Liberalism in 2006 was very small and hid the fact that the voters went for some Democrats who campaigned on somewhat conservative platforms and turned out some Republicans who they saw as somewhat corrupt. Unfortunately corruption is growing and the basically conservative voters will turn that out of office whether R or D, whether real or perceived.
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posted on
02/04/2007 3:19:01 PM PST
by
RightWhale
(300 miles north of Big Wild Life)
To: Jim Robinson
Absolutely not - and the socialists in charge now offer a target-rich environment. Let's hunt some rat!!
To: Jim Robinson
no ... i will live my life by my beliefs and pass them on to my children ... hillary as president would suck, but she won't be victorious against me because of God
.... and, yes, i am ready for a colts victory
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posted on
02/04/2007 3:20:36 PM PST
by
InvisibleChurch
(I'm a climate skeptic. I am part of the "lunatic fridge".)
To: Jim Robinson
It's too early to hand the nomination to Rudy. I am still keeping my fingers crossed that we can come up with Mark Sanford or Tom Coburn or somebody respectable. California Republicans threw McClintock under the bus and look what they got? I am praying hard that that does not happen on a national level.
To: Junior_G
Morris is FOS. Hillary grabbing the WH will awaken the masses and bring the Republican Party back to something worth supporting. Think those liberal middle class voters are going to like having their taxes raised and seeing money leave their households? Think that people will like seeing liberalism stuck up their asses and down their throats?
The last election was a repudiation of incompetence, a lack of leadership and of bogus rhetoric by the RINOs. People can yell at those who stayed home but since the party was trending left anyway why not clean house and start over? The last Congress just didn't get it.
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posted on
02/04/2007 3:21:25 PM PST
by
misterrob
(Jack Bauer/Chuck Norris 2008)
To: Sawdring
"Limbaugh for President please".
I love Rush, and appreciate all he's done for the Conservative Movement, but couldn't vote for him for a national office. Multiple divorces = probable character flaw(s).
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posted on
02/04/2007 3:22:57 PM PST
by
AngrySpud
(Behold, I am The Anti-Crust ... Anti-Hillary)
To: Jim Robinson
"Would you accept a gay agenda/NARAL supporting abortionist gun-grabber as your party's savior against Hillary Clinton even if it means we abandon the pro-life, pro-family, pro-freedom of religion and pro-gun planks from the party's platform?"
There's not much left to support on principle, in comparison. The war effort would be all that is left, to differentiate the two. I'm doing what I can, to ensure that the choice doesn't come to this. The primaries are pretty heavily front-loaded, though, so it's do or die for other candidates who would better represent conservative principles, such as, imho, Hunter. I'm going to need a lot of convincing to believe that Romney is not mostly packaging.
To: Jim Robinson
Has conservatism been defeated in America? If we are not careful it will be.
Republicans eat their own more than Democrats defeat anyone.
We have too much fighting against ourselves to defeat anyone else. As a result we lose elections.
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posted on
02/04/2007 3:23:37 PM PST
by
maui_hawaii
(China: proudly revising history for over 2000 years and counting.)
To: Hawthorn
"Then when we're well on the way toward winning the truly existential challenge that faces our civilization, we can deal with abortion, gun control, gay rights, overtaxation, judge-made-law and all the other socialist/leftist agenda items that plague our great nation."
Allowing all the issues that hold the Republican base together to be pitched to the curb is the only thing that can destroy the party!
The swing voters don't join the RAT party because of those issues you think we can deal with later. It would be foolish to think you could win anything if you throw away 30-40% of your base.
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posted on
02/04/2007 3:24:15 PM PST
by
Beagle8U
(Thompson / Hunter 2008)
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To: Chi-townChief
Absolutely not - and the socialists in charge now offer a target-rich environment. Let's hunt some rat!!
I agree. I never let the last election get me down. The democrats are more cowardly than the republicans and we may be able to force their hands even better.
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posted on
02/04/2007 3:26:05 PM PST
by
cripplecreek
(Peace without victory is a temporary illusion.)
To: Jim Robinson
I'm a pragmatic conservative, Jim. Therefore, I realize that, assuming H. Clinton is the Democratic nominee (which I realize is not an absolute certainty), then the candidate to beat her will have to be a proven leader, administrator, and someone who accomplished a lot. Like turning a basket-case like the city of New York around by lowering taxes, cleaning up the filth in Times Square and, a first for NYC, lowering the crime rate and the welfare rate.
But more importantly, someone who will appeal to moderates, in addition to economic conservatives such as myself.
I think it will take someone like that to beat Clinton.
To: oceanview
RG will NOT appoint conservative judges - in your dreams.
To: DaveLoneRanger
Funny, in '96, '98 and 2000 the press was asking if liberalism was dead. Hey we will come back if we lay out the values of conservatives.
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posted on
02/04/2007 3:26:29 PM PST
by
engrpat
To: DaveLoneRanger
Way to take a position! ;-) I'm nothing if not blunt!
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posted on
02/04/2007 3:26:42 PM PST
by
airborne
(Elect an Airborne Ranger,Vietnam Veteran for President ! Duncan Hunter 2008!!)
To: flashbunny
BTW, you're becoming one of my favorite posters on FR. I'm anti-RINO too! :o)
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posted on
02/04/2007 3:27:26 PM PST
by
Millee
(Tagline free since 10/20/06)
Comment #58 Removed by Moderator
To: Jim Robinson
Newt to the rescue, as he did in 1994?
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posted on
02/04/2007 3:27:58 PM PST
by
FairOpinion
(Tell Congress: Work for Victory in Iraq. Stop Hillary. Go to: http://www.TheVanguard.org)
To: Jim Robinson
I sometimes wonder myself.
There will be a period of a very few years where the liberals will have more control of government. But they will screw up -- they can't help themselves -- and it will not be long before the nation tires of them.
The successful return of conservatism will then depend on a leader who is both charismatic and not aftraid to be really Conservative.
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