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Texas Girls Will Get HPV Vaccine
News Observer ^ | 02/03/07 | Liz Austin Peterson

Posted on 02/05/2007 7:13:36 AM PST by Froufrou

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To: VRing

With no repercussions.

I never had vaccinations until I got the German measles, which nearly killed me, and is why I think non-vaccine people are idiots (my parents also changed their tune, post-illness).


61 posted on 02/05/2007 8:13:44 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Lezahal)
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To: elc

"Many states stipulate that if you are going to opt out for religous reasons, you must opt out of all vaccines. You cannot selectively opt out of certain ones."

Not Texas. The regulation is above.

That said, all that does is make a person pay privately for the ones they want --- as opposed to getting them free fromt the school nurse.


62 posted on 02/05/2007 8:15:04 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Lezahal)
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To: MamaTexan

The epidemic-quaranteen and other powers of the Governor are not at issue here.

I just gave the quaranteen powers as other example of the "govenor practising medicine" which was your objection.


63 posted on 02/05/2007 8:17:23 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Lezahal)
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To: zerosix

Huh?

I see many females under 13 years every month who've been sexually 'inducted'....via rape, molestation or incest. It's not a case of promiscuity, it's simply the world is a rough place form most kids these days. And you can call the vaccine whatever you want, but I won't damn a child to death because of you.

And how in the world did you bring illegals into this!?! You're just another One Note Wanda singing a different song.


64 posted on 02/05/2007 8:19:23 AM PST by najida (Campers laugh at clowns behind closed doors.)
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To: zerosix

As I said:

The REAL reason so many Holier-than-thou Freepers have their panties in a wad about this is they THINK their little ones will never sin and dance great joy at the thought of EVIL SINNERS dying a miserable death --- getting what they deserve --- for the sin of premarital sex.


65 posted on 02/05/2007 8:19:49 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Lezahal)
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To: najida
No one needs to "force" each and every female child to have this vaccine - period. First and foremost - it is being done with taxpayers dollars without taxpayers consent.

Secondly, it is being ordered to repay a drug company for supporting a political campaign!

If Texans had a vote on this, that might be a bit different, though I still don't favor forcing this on girls simply because they attend government schools.

All of my children got their vaccinations with our doctor, not some government educator at public school.

66 posted on 02/05/2007 8:39:38 AM PST by zerosix
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To: MeanWestTexan

"as opposed to getting them free fromt the school nurse."

Free? Are you a socialist as well as a nanny-stater? Who pays for these "free" injections? Merck?


67 posted on 02/05/2007 8:40:55 AM PST by VRing (Happiness is a perfect sling bruise.)
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To: Red Badger
Indeed.

I assume that the pro-abortion slogan of "Get your laws off my body" doesn't apply anymore.

68 posted on 02/05/2007 8:41:40 AM PST by Malacoda (A day without a pi$$ed-off muslim is like a day without sunshine.)
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To: MeanWestTexan
Oh, please!

Spare me the outrageous indignation against those whom you think are stiff.

This is about a big drug company coming into Texas dazzling our Governor with a bunch of money and then using Texas school children as a bunch of guinea pigs.

It is shameful!
69 posted on 02/05/2007 8:44:04 AM PST by perseid 67 (A bleeding heart does nothing but ruin the carpet.)
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To: VRing

Oh, give me a break.

I no where advocated socialism -- merely addressed the effect of selective opt-out of vaccines (e.g., yes to measles, no to HPV), which is (in such states): no free shots.

The fact that you called me a socialist proves you are not interested in the issue, but merely arguing for the sake of argument.

I have no time for that kind of silliness.


70 posted on 02/05/2007 8:45:13 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Lezahal)
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To: MeanWestTexan
This has nothing to do with "holier than thou" or my opinion of sin.

This is being forced on children to repay a donation to a political campaign or campaigns.

This is also being done by government fiat - I also disagreed with the Supreme's fiat that government can take one person's property and give it to another, to make more tax dollars.

Are our children now the same as our homes and businesses, free for the government to take and do what they will with them.

For God's sake, wake up, this is not only government telling each and every parent of a female child, who is unfortunate enough to be in publik skool, that vaccinations will be forced upon them, not even by their own doctor's advice, after informed consent, AND they will be forced to pay for the vaccinations through their own taxes.

Where are your priorities - this is all being done in the name of "for the children" - Hillary Style!

71 posted on 02/05/2007 8:47:02 AM PST by zerosix
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To: perseid 67

Yeah, whatever.

If this wasn't a vaccine for a sexually-transmitted disease, it would be a non-issue, just like the MMR shots.


72 posted on 02/05/2007 8:47:50 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Lezahal)
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To: MeanWestTexan

Fantasyland? My bright, healthy nephew "died" from a "safe" DPT shot. He began having seizures immediately after the shot. Lost all his speech, and now at the age of 23, he functions at the level of a 3-4 year old.


73 posted on 02/05/2007 8:48:45 AM PST by Politicalmom ("Always vote for principle...and your vote is never lost."-John Quincy Adams)
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To: almcbean
While HPV may lead to cancer, the vaccine is only necessary if we say to our daughters "go ahead, be a slut"

You can tell your daughters whatever you want. We know that a good number of them, regardless of their parents values, convictions, and guidance, will be sexually adventurous as they grow older.

74 posted on 02/05/2007 8:49:32 AM PST by HitmanLV ("I mean, that's a storybook, man!")
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To: zerosix

Then opt out.

May your daughters be sinless, as be their husbands.


75 posted on 02/05/2007 8:50:02 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Lezahal)
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To: MeanWestTexan
The REAL reason so many Holier-than-thou Freepers have their panties in a wad about this is they THINK their little ones will never sin and dance great joy at the thought of EVIL SINNERS dying a miserable death --- getting what they deserve --- for the sin of premarital sex.

You might be right for some, but that has nothing to do with my objection.

I don't think that the governor ought to have the right to override parental objections and order preventative medical treatment on children. Couple that with the financial ties to the company providing the medicine and it sure seems like a combination of executive power grab and cronyism.

I think the vaccine is a good idea. But I don't think that the state has the right to impose every good idea on its citizens.

76 posted on 02/05/2007 8:51:50 AM PST by highball ("I never should have switched from scotch to martinis." -- the last words of Humphrey Bogart)
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To: zerosix

Read my very first post,
we are saying the same thing.

I don't think it should be forced,
but I for one would have females in my care getting it.

That's all.


77 posted on 02/05/2007 8:52:44 AM PST by najida (Campers laugh at clowns behind closed doors.)
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To: Politicalmom

Your nephew is truely a tradgedy. And such extremely rare cases do occur, but Diphtheria (DPT) is a very serious bacterial disease that can make a person unable to breathe, cause paralysis, or even heart failure.

About 10% of the people who get diphtheria die from it. Before the DPT shot was introduced, 17,000 children died in a single year in the United States alone in a diphtheria epidemic. Over the last several years, only a very few cases of diphtheria have been reported in the United States. In 1988 there were zero cases. This is primarily because most children have had shots to protect them. Diphtheria isn't gone, but most children are ready for it if they are exposed.

17,000 deaths vs. a very rare few? Do the math.


78 posted on 02/05/2007 8:53:34 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Lezahal)
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To: highball

"I don't think that the governor ought to have the right to override parental objections and order preventative medical treatment on children."

Me neither.

Fortunately, the governor has no power to override parential objections. The statute that does give him power has a very specific opt-out provision just for such parental objections.


79 posted on 02/05/2007 8:55:35 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Lezahal)
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To: MeanWestTexan

All one has to do is visit a pre-1950's cemetary and count the chilren's graves.

Oh well, like you said, if it wasn't about sex, no one would notice ;)


80 posted on 02/05/2007 8:56:47 AM PST by najida (Campers laugh at clowns behind closed doors.)
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